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I been doing a little bit of travelling about recently and have observed how unhelpful some staff are when it comes to travel restrictions (in my opinion).

Take this example:

I was at Euston at 1500 and wanted to know the time restriction on the off peak return to Preston. I was told that the ticket was not valid past 1430 as that was the last direct train to Preston, before the evening peak. I then asked whether it was valid to Crewe on the 1510 to Bangor and again was told it was not (based on the fact that it was not a direct train and changes were not allowed on my ticket!!!). The latter comment I knew to be complete tosh, so got them to check with a supervisor before they agreed it was valid!

I later looked up the restriction and sure enough it's valid until 1514 (inc.). Why tell someone a ticket is invalid, 40 minutes before it actually is and why not offer them an alternative train?

Another example:

Having used the same ticket on a different day to get up to Stafford I changed trains and wanted to get the 1756 direct train back to Preston. I asked at the ticket booth whether my ticket would be valid on the 1756 to Preston, explaining whilst it was probably off peak at Stafford, it would not be off peak at London. The staff behind the desk did not know and suggested I ask the guard on the train. Although I didn't board the train,I wondered if I had been charged a single fare from Stafford - Preston, could I have got any compensation based on poor ticket advice from the station. My guess is no, but I just wondered what people thought.

The last one is just a general question:

I often travel to Nuneaton from Preston in the morning peak and the Anytime Return is £62, however there is an OPR to Hinckley (one station beyond Nuneaton) at £48 with a 2T restriction on it (valid on any outward train after 0415). Would I be able to use this ticket in the morning peak and get off short at Nuneaton, even if the train did not stop at Hinckley (the service I normally catch does not stop)?

The following example was based on NFM03.

Regards,

WestCoastTravel
 
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I often travel to Nuneaton from Preston in the morning peak and the Anytime Return is £62, however there is an OPR to Hinckley (one station beyond Nuneaton) at £48 with a 2T restriction on it (valid on any outward train after 0415). Would I be able to use this ticket in the morning peak and get off short at Nuneaton, even if the train did not stop at Hinckley (the service I normally catch does not stop)?
I thought Virgin had abolished all the restrictions on Off Peak Returns (SVRs) avoiding London & Milton Keynes? Yet that Nuneaton one remains. How odd.

They got a lot of bad publicity for the restrictions and I thought they promised to withdraw them. It looks like they may have kept them to Brum, and Nuneaton may be derived from Brum... yet Hinckley escapes!

Anyway it is valid.

PRESTON LANCS (PRE)
to HINCKLEY (LEICS) (HNK)

SVR - OFF-PEAK R VWC
00000 - ANY PERMITTED

1 Adult @£ 48.00 = £ 48.00

Restriction : 2T
Outward Travel
By any train except those
timed to depart
Mondays-Fridays before 0415.

Return Travel
By any train except those
timed to depart
Mondays-Fridays before 0415.

Break of Jrny: (OUT) YES
 

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Maybe the staff you have asked are not revenue staff, and are therefore not trained on all the minutiae of ticket restrictions?
I work at a different London terminus but as revenue is outside my remit, I don't know all the ins and outs.
 
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Looking at Yorkie's comments regarding the restrictions on routes avoiding Milton Keynes and London, it appears that some have been abolished while some remain:

Preston - Crewe is 2T (valid after 0415)
Preston - Stafford is 2R (valid after 0900)
Preston - Rugeley TV is 2R (valid after 0900)
Preston - Tamworth is 2T (valid after 0415)
Preston - Rugby is 2T (valid after 0415)

I guess Stafford and Rugeley TV are still assocaited with Birmingham hence the restriction remains in place.

Interestingly the Northampton route has two fares streams in place:

Route 1 via Long Bucky restriction 2T,
Route 2 any permitted restriction 2C and higher fare.

Seems a bit odd to have a more restricted fare on a longer route even if travel via Milton Keynes is valid?

One more thing I've also noticed that the London Midland OPR out of Euston to Rugby is valid on any train. This is good news for me as it means I can get back north to Preston, using a peak service from first Euston and then Rugby using the Rugby - Preston OPR mentioned above. Ahh the joys of our now ever so simple ticketing system!!

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Take this example:

I was at Euston at 1500 and wanted to know the time restriction on the off peak return to Preston.

I later looked up the restriction and sure enough it's valid until 1514 (inc.).

I guess I can further cheer you up by telling you that from January this is being tightened to 1500. Also the arrive in London restriction is being extended to 1130, so it can't be used on the 0858 from Preston.

Having used the same ticket on a different day to get up to Stafford I changed trains and wanted to get the 1756 direct train back to Preston.

I'm guessing you weren't asking the question at 1751 or similar, which would be only possible defence for ticket office.
 

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On the trains I have been travelling on it has been announced that Off Peak tickets are not valid full stop.

From this I believe there is a blanket ban between 1530 and 1845.

This week Virgin have been announcing changes to the validity of Off Peak tickets which makes them (in general) not valid for travel between 1501 and 1844.

The revised restrictions from 4th Jan are shown here :
http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/assets/pdf/announcements/off-peak-time-change-january-2010.pdf
 

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On the trains I have been travelling on it has been announced that Off Peak tickets are not valid full stop.
Not true. Restrictions apply to tickets, not trains, which means there are very few trains where you could say that there are no Off Peak flows that are valid on those trains. I can't think of many at all where you could say that no Off Peak ticket is valid for any flow on that train in the evening peak.
From this I believe there is a blanket ban between 1530 and 1845.
No such thing as a "blanket ban". The ban depends on the restriction code on the ticket.
This week Virgin have been announcing changes to the validity of Off Peak tickets which makes them (in general) not valid for travel between 1501 and 1844.

The revised restrictions from 4th Jan are shown here :
http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/assets/pdf/announcements/off-peak-time-change-january-2010.pdf
But "in general" is a very general sweeping statement to make An Off Peak to Lancaster for example is valid at any time after 0925, and to Rhyl the same applies except just one train is barred in the evening departing at 1610.

These restrictions only apply from EUS/WFJ/MKC and they are generally unrestricted for journeys wholly north of those places, with the only exceptions I can find are journeys relating to the Birmingham area may have morning peak restrictions.
 

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Staff cannot remember all ticket restrictions (unless they are "Rainman" )! They often talk generally about "restrictions" and remember the common ones. Hence, confusion and mis-information happens!

Many passengers often are "surprised" (sometimes genuinely) when they are 'pulled up' on a cheap ticket. This is quite common for those coming home in the evening peak on, say Cheap Day Returns (eg Liverpool PTE area CDRs, Edinburgh area CDRs, Northern Duo's etc) and many therefore deliberately buy the cheaper tickets knowing that the guard will probably not have time/not remember/not spot the restriction!

.......Time for some serious SIMPLIFICATION of fares.
 
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I've just had a look at those restrictions from Preston and it does not make good reading.

Using an off peak ticket from Preston - London, the earliest service I can now get into London is 09.58, which gets in at 12.30. On the return the restriction is now 1500 - 1844. Personally I think that is completely ridiculous. This is just going to drive people away rather than encourage them to use the train! Peak travel is once more a rich persons railway, in my opinion.

Having the said that I see there is a get out of jail free card in the system!

If I get a ticket from Lancaster to Preston, and get on at Preston, I see the first service I can get is the 07.58 and there is no evening restriction on the return. I presume from previous threads this is valid?

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If I get a ticket from Lancaster to Preston, and get on at Preston, I see the first service I can get is the 07.58 and there is no evening restriction on the return. I presume from previous threads this is valid?

I presume you mean buy a ticket from Lancaster to London, and board at Preston. The answer to its validity depends one what construes as a break of journey. The LAN-EUS restriction disallows BoJ on the outward. (Of course with a Carnforth-London ticket you would be perfectly legitimately changing at Preston, and thus would be hard to question boarding at Preston)
 

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Is the easement for railcard-discounted Off Peak tickets that was previously in place, ie can travel at any time with them, still in place?
 

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Is the easement for railcard-discounted Off Peak tickets that was previously in place, ie can travel at any time with them, still in place?
It appears to be. The web site are willing to sell railcard discounted Off-Peak Return (SVR) tickets for any Preston - Euston train on Monday.

Note that the concession applies to Off-Peak Return tickets. The Super Off-Peak One Day Travelcard from Preston is, despite its name, a quota-controlled Advance ticket and would not be valid.
 
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