frasier
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With the Conservative conference having just finished, what do you lot think of David Cameron?
A clone of Blair...
And I'm not sure about the Lib Dems, thought Kennedy was ok but not keen on the new guy - calling himself Ming when his name is Menzies, almost as bad as Mrs Bucket in 'Keeping Up Appearances'!!
Richard is right, the two parties are much more similar than they used to be. I think David Cameron has come over quite well, although I've not trusted the Tories since they put me out of work in 1995 (I don't bear grudges, honest!). Having said that, I think labour have lost their way too. And I'm not sure about the Lib Dems, thought Kennedy was ok but not keen on the new guy - calling himself Ming when his name is Menzies,
Not only does HE call himself 'Ming', so does every other self-respecting Scotsman whose name is Menzies. It is always pronounced 'mingies', and shorthened to 'Ming'. Thought someone calling themselves 'theblackwatch' would have known that!
The problem is, I find there is little to distinguish between Labour & the Tories. People who are right wing have to resort to voting for the BNP to prove a point that they feel they are not represented by any of the main parties.
On the subject of 'Dave'; flying all the way to Greenland to publicise the effects of global warming? That ain't right and the fool won't be getting my vote.
You'd not vote for a politician because he highlighted an important world issue in a way you don't agree with?
It would have been far more productive to the green cause to have just phoned up Hu Jintao and told him to get control of China's emissions and threaten a trade embargo.
If David Cameron were in power he could do that. He's not, so threating that would be rather pointless.
Anyway, I think the problem with a trade embargo is that it hurts the people of China, more than it hurts the government of China.
1....Is he not a PM in waiting? Gordon or Dave? vote now....
2....Agree with that point, why should we deprive the rest of the world our standard of living? We will all suffer the consequences of excess energy consumption.
Richard is right, the two parties are much more similar than they used to be. I think David Cameron has come over quite well, although I've not trusted the Tories since they put me out of work in 1995 (I don't bear grudges, honest!). Having said that, I think labour have lost their way too. And I'm not sure about the Lib Dems, thought Kennedy was ok but not keen on the new guy - calling himself Ming when his name is Menzies,
Not only does HE call himself 'Ming', so does every other self-respecting Scotsman whose name is Menzies. It is always pronounced 'mingies', and shorthened to 'Ming'. Thought someone calling themselves 'theblackwatch' would have known that!
Well I learn something every day, thanks for that!! Presumbly the (former) retailer John Menzies should actually be pronounced John Mingies too? If so, I never heard anyone get it right, includies someone who worked for them!
What I would do is keep energy prices near the same for basic levels of energy, but if people use more, they have to pay a lot more towards it. I think this will definately make a difference if it was done in America, and indeed in Europe, but sadly it is a very difficult process to get such a thing though parliament.
But don't immigrants put more into the tax pot than they get out from public services? They're not costing about £20,000 to educate for one thing.I want SOME immigration, but not an open door. That’s perfectly reasonable in a country as densely populated as this as there too many people putting pressure on public services.
This is temporary as more young people are living apart from parents than before so more houses are needed. After a while we'll have built enough houses and lower prices will resume.The young cannot afford the house prices
But expect street lights, parks, signalled road crossings and public transport, all of which have to be paid for.The old cannot afford the council tax bills.
Immigrants tend to take jobs no one else wants like packing sandwiches into bags. Tax credits means that people are encouraged to work rather than live off job seekers benefit.Labour has done everything to undermine workers wages (tax credits, too much immigration).
I agree with you. People who actually know what they're doing should be in charge. Just ask any teacher.I’d also like less state control.
Whether anything will happen is also debatable. The petrol tax has not gone up the rate it should due to oil price going up too much (lame excuse). Busses still waste time at stops while people pay (except in London I guess). Car transport is intergrated while public transport isn't. Cycling is put at a far lower priority than cars.It’s interesting the Tories have chosen to adapt green credentials. The roots of this are in things they don’t like: Airport expansion and too many cars ruining country homes, globalisation (which is very energy intensive) changing the face of this country. BTW all nations’ governments believe climate change is a threat now, a little known fact.
But without the Beeching axe, there might not have been any freight left on the railway by now. Certainly not any profitable freight operations that exist now.Interestingly, according to studies by several universities, the UK became unsustainable around 1963 - the year of the Beeching reports
Today
This will encourage people not to have big families, and that's not gonna help the pension crisis!
But don't immigrants put more into the tax pot than they get out from public services? They're not costing about £20,000 to educate for one thing.
And as for policies; there's at least year before it is widely necessary to have all your key policies down.
If their policies reflected their beliefs (if they have any), then it should take about a month to get them published, not a year. That is time being lost, during which they could have been forcing their policies into the media and hence into the public conciousness.
The Conservatives (and to a lesser extent the other main parties) don't lack policies, they lack any sort of idealogical vision and are not fit to govern.
It doesn't take three years to get their policies into public conciousness.
So who are fit to govern then?
OOI, which party would you vote for and why?
OOI, which party would you vote for and why?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6044222.stm
Labour doing itself a lot of favours again - not!