Greybeard33
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The contract is dated 24 February 2022. There has clearly been a change of plan, since all those 323s are still with WMT.
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December 2022 Timetable Changes
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craigybagel
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In the December timetable, Wem, Whitchurch and Nantwich are all served by 0536 Swansea - Manchester, which is booked for MKIVs. They're also served earlier by 0435 Cardiff - Manchester, which is timed for MKIVs but not likely to actually see them until May at the earliest.
In the other direction, only Nantwich out of the three sees MKIVs, and then only on one service - 0626 Manchester to Cardiff. On a Saturday it is also served by 1830 Manchester - Cardiff.
Once the half hourly service you mention on the Marches starts there won't be capacity South of Shrewsbury for another service from Crewe. Sadly there's always going to need to be a compromise for Nantwich, Whitchurch and Wem between their desire to see more services, especially through services to Manchester, and the needs of Manchester - South Wales passengers wanting a faster journey.
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Due to the continuing non-appearance of the 730s.
Bletchleyite
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And the choice of WMT to start the 730s off on the WCML instead of Birmingham so the knackered 319s can be binned.
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Good point.
LNW-GW Joint
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The Northern contract doesn't actually say the 319s will be returned to Porterbrook before the "End of the Contract Term" (1 March 2025).
Greybeard33
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Thereby forcing Northern to keep using its knackered 319s instead!
The mark 4s will stop at those stations. Have a look in RTT. Some of the trains starting at Cardiff, which are booked to be loco hauled, do stop.
Only Northbound - I suspect that it a matter of pathing rather than principle, though.
SuperLuke2334
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I've had a look thanks. My understanding (which I didn't originally make clear and I apologise for that) is that when the full TfW timetable overhaul is done then it won't be Mk4s stopping at those stations. This isn't confirmed but as I understand it that is the plan.
Surely the DfT is the customer of Avanti these days? Us passengers are customers of the DfT.
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Yes, with the DfT taking the revenue risk that's effectively the position. Sadly.
That is a shame. There are some terrible gaps in the service currently and one train an hour is quite restrictive for a town of this size. However I do understand the rationale and luckily being dropped at Crewe isn't the end of the world when catching a train to reduce the journey times for connections.
Yes, I went to visit a friend in Nantwich for lunch a couple of weeks ago, thanks to online information I found out in advance that the stopping service from Crewe to Shrewsbury on the way there had been cancelled and I spent too long chatting to get my first choice train home, my second choice was two hours later. In the end I was able to arrange for my friend to collect me from Crewe and deliver me back there, in both cases I ended up on trains from/to Wilmslow which went through Nantwich without stopping.
However, when I'm going to Cardiff it already feels like an interminable number of station stops, so the right balance is of course to stop at Nantwich when I want to go there for lunch and to go whizzing through when I want to go to Cardiff, so a balance has to be struck.
If the service ends up being more like hourly with a mixture of through and local trains, that'd be a good compromise, however the time keeping of the longer-distance trains on this route isn't very good in general - I see trains turned back at Wilmslow to recover lost time quite often, for example (instead of going into Manchester as booked).
rich.davies
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Hi,
Is this a new timetabled working from today? https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:W97647/2022-12-11/detailed
It has been cancelled due to "an issue with the train crew", I've never a known a working to Euston from Wrexham on a sunday before. Thought it may have been an error.
Is this a new timetabled working from today? https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:W97647/2022-12-11/detailed
It has been cancelled due to "an issue with the train crew", I've never a known a working to Euston from Wrexham on a sunday before. Thought it may have been an error.
No, it's correct. It's one of the few timetable improvements compared to pre-Covid.
See https://www.avantiwestcoast.co.uk/travel-information/plan-your-journey/timetables
The original poster is referring to the 12:06 Wrexham to Euston, which has been cancelled.
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rich.davies
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Thanks Both,
Tried looking at ticket prices but it looks like Avanti haven't quite got round to uploading it into buy tickets on the website.
Tried looking at ticket prices but it looks like Avanti haven't quite got round to uploading it into buy tickets on the website.
LNW-GW Joint
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There's a return journey on Sunday evenings (1701 Euston-Wrexham).
If it runs, that is...
Scotrail88
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Looks like only one 221 trip to Scotland now - Monday to Friday only for Avanti.
Probably a think of the past come
May!
Probably a think of the past come
May!
sufian123
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RTT is showing one is running today. 1316 off Euston to Glasgow. Maybe one off?
Realtime Trains | 9S77 1315 London Euston to Glasgow Central | 11/12/2022
Real-time train running information for 9S77 1315 departure from London Euston to Glasgow Central on 11/12/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Scotrail88
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Should be pendo as far as know.RTT is showing one is running today. 1316 off Euston to Glasgow. Maybe one off?
Realtime Trains | 9S77 1315 London Euston to Glasgow Central | 11/12/2022
Real-time train running information for 9S77 1315 departure from London Euston to Glasgow Central on 11/12/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.www.realtimetrains.co.uk
That’s a 221 working weekdays but maybe balance due to timetable revision?
sufian123
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Yeah that makes sense
It's booked a pair of Voyagers.
htafc
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I note that, from tomorrow and as previously discussed, direct Huddersfield-Castleford services are set to return (instead of the rail replacement bus). What is the planned traction for these services? Two-car 150?
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Kite159
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If they are using platform 5 at Huddersfield then it can only really be a 2 coach 150 as that's all that fits
htafc
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Yes, I think so, have had a look at RTT and most are timetabled for platform 5... Thanks.
Kite159
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Looks like Farnworth (between Bolton & Salford) has gained a Sunday service.
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Can't see these on RTT
rich.davies
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Rail Replacement service on the Borderlands line due to staff availability for the signal box.
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