December 2023 Timetable Change

[dk1]

Of course it's not just about loading, if it takes too long to get from Norwich to Cambridge or Stansted then you move the train or car debate towards car.

Yes and it’s just about right with the stops we have now (Brandon wasn’t served by Anglia Railways originally when launched in 2002) and it was advertised to be no more than a 70min journey on most services. It’s bad enough calling at the wayside halts on the few services that do so now.

 

[mangyiscute]

Shippea Hill and Eccles Road don't really serve anything apart from nearby villages which likely railhead to Ely or Wymondham, but East Harling (Harling Road - Population 2500) and Lakenheath (Population 4500) are large enough villages to have stations with a decent service, look at Dullingham, Somerleyton or really any middle-of-nowhere station in East Anglia which have normal services and aren't questioned about validity.

Issue is both of those stations are a good mile at least from the villages you are talking about, and the walk is along roads with no pavement - something I can say from experience for Lakenheath, it is not the best of walks. For me, Spooner Row is perhaps the best shout, it has quite a few houses within walking distance of the station.

 

[dk1]

Issue is both of those stations are a good mile at least from the villages you are talking about, and the walk is along roads with no pavement - something I can say from experience for Lakenheath, it is not the best of walks. For me, Spooner Row is perhaps the best shout, it has quite a few houses within walking distance of the station.

Hence the title ‘Road’. Not sure why Lakenheath never had that too.

 

[infobleep]

Monday to Saturday clockface I believe, although some trains on Mon-Fri in the morning peak don't make Gatwick. Turning round instead at Redhill due to conflicts with the Southern peak extensions to Gatwick which only run Mon-Fri.

It's good that they don't conflict with the Southern peak extensions in the evening.

 

[EMU303]

Scotrail December improvements

New timetable delivers electric trains between Barrhead and Glasgow

ScotRail customers along the route between Barrhead and Glasgow Central will see the introduction of electric trains as part of the train operator’s upcoming timetable change.  From Sunday, 10 December, ScotRail will operate modern Class 380 trains on its local services between Barrhead and...

www.scotrail.co.uk

 

[HST125Scorton]

FOI for Northern LTPs, noticeable changes with transfer swaps on 331s, no more 319s and more incoming 323s from WMT.

Train diagrams for December 2023 to June 2024 - a Freedom of Information request to Northern Trains Limited

Is it possible you could send me the train diagrams for December 2023 to June 2024 Yours faithfully, sean white

www.whatdotheyknow.com

 

[PGAT]

According to the Southern website some Horsham/Dorking services have increased from 5 to 8/10 coaches, does anyone know which ones specifically have been lengthened?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

According to the Southern website some Horsham/Dorking services have increased from 5 to 8/10 coaches, does anyone know which ones specifically have been lengthened?

Pretty sure the 09.33 from Epsom to Victoria which starts back from one or the other of those was a 10 car on Monday, but I wasn't paying much attention as I was aiming for the 09.45 London Bridge... if they're lengthening more in December, I have to wonder where the stock is coming from?

 

[PGAT]

Pretty sure the 09.33 from Epsom to Victoria which starts back from one or the other of those was a 10 car on Monday, but I wasn't paying much attention as I was aiming for the 09.45 London Bridge... if they're lengthening more in December, I have to wonder where the stock is coming from?

Every train in the rush hour is 8 or 10 coaches at the moment and they get detached and sent off to the depot afterwards leaving 5 car formations. I assume they're not using any new stock, they're just using it more efficiently

 

[geoffk]

AIUI all remaining Castle diagrams from December will be purely shuttling back between Penzance & Plymouth only bar one weekday extension to Exeter St David's, returning ECS.

The two Pilning calls are set to be at 0832 and 1532 by the 0800 and 1459 Cardiff Central - Penzance services, both of which are set to be 80x. Perhaps they've resolved the issues with stopping them there, or expect to mid-December?

Pilning has TWO trains a day? I must have missed this.

 

[The exile]

Pilning has TWO trains a day? I must have missed this.

Two in one direction instead of one in each now there’s no footbridge. Still only Saturdays as far as I’m aware.
Return tickets valid to Severn Beach and (I think) also doubling back via Severn Tunnel Junction.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Are any Southport - Hunts Cross services set to go over to 777 from this change?

 

[OneOfThe48]

According to the Southern website some Horsham/Dorking services have increased from 5 to 8/10 coaches, does anyone know which ones specifically have been lengthened?

Not sure about a full list but I believe (and hope) that the 08:17 Horsham to London Victoria service (2I13) is one of them, from 5 to 8.

 

[PGAT]

Not sure about a full list but I believe (and hope) that the 08:17 Horsham to London Victoria service (2I13) is one of them, from 5 to 8.

Yeah that seems to be the case as it forms a crosslink with the 1000 Epsom Downs service after arriving at Victoria

 

[Deepgreen]

NDL times now on the GWR site - 2tph to Gatwick, with the small stations getting the same alternate 2-hourly calls as now. The longest waits at Guildford have gone but there are still loads of five and six minute waits there.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Given that 3tph still hasn't been approved for the route (as far as I know), how will the smaller stations be served?

Reads to me like they'll be skip stopped, i.e. you will have two semifast trains instead of one fast and one slow.

 

[LAX54]

Of course it's not just about loading, if it takes too long to get from Norwich to Cambridge or Stansted then you move the train or car debate towards car.

Stansted is almost 2 hours, and Cambridge 1 hour 45 mins by car....on a good day, then you have to find and pay for parking

 

[izvor]

I don't see this link posted above, apologies if it has been. (Courtesy Branch Line Society)
https://timetables.fabdigital.uk/nrt/dec2023/

 

[Deepgreen]

Reads to me like they'll be skip stopped, i.e. you will have two semifast trains instead of one fast and one slow.

Indeed; almost as soon as I posted the above I amended the message.

 

[43055]

Cross Country PDF's are now on the website

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Every train in the rush hour is 8 or 10 coaches at the moment and they get detached and sent off to the depot afterwards leaving 5 car formations. I assume they're not using any new stock, they're just using it more efficiently

Thank you; that sounds good to me.

 

[Minstral25]

Indeed; almost as soon as I posted the above I amended the message.

Exactly the plan as posted at beginning of this thread.

 

[Falcon1200]

Second point - No, Neilston and Newton services will continue to be hourly after 1900. But the reintroduction of circle services will remove the longer gaps in service.

Good to see the Cathcart Circle services re-introduced, but I see the 0841 Neilston-Glasgow Central is still missing, meaning a 41 minute gap, at the end of the morning peak, between the 0824 and 0905 departures; The latter is only a 3-car as well, so I avoid it if at all possible!

 

[hst43053]

Any news if Avanti plan on reintroducing the pre COVID 3tph Euston to Bham from Dec 23?

 

[JonathanH]

Any news if Avanti plan on reintroducing the pre COVID 3tph Euston to Bham from Dec 23?

No, they don't. There are a few hours with 3tph, but it is two fasts and a semi-fast in those hours. The 20 minute even frequency is no longer the base plan.

 

[Bald Rick]

Any news if Avanti plan on reintroducing the pre COVID 3tph Euston to Bham from Dec 23?

There already are 3tph at the buusier times of the day, for example leaving Euston its 3tph for the 08 and 09 hours in the morning, and then from 1600 to 2000 in the evening.

 

[hst43053]

There already are 3tph at the buusier times of the day, for example leaving Euston its 3tph for the 08 and 09 hours in the morning, and then from 1600 to 2000 in the evening.

Ah thanks. Is Saturday still solely 2tph?

Assume it'll eventually be a full 3tph all day?

 

[dk1]

Any news if Avanti plan on reintroducing the pre COVID 3tph Euston to Bham from Dec 23?

No chance of that all day until possibly June or December 2024.

 

[cactustwirly]

NDL times now on the GWR site - 2tph to Gatwick, with the small stations getting the same alternate 2-hourly calls as now. The longest waits at Guildford have gone but there are still loads of five and six minute waits there.

Are their later trains from Gatwick?

I often have to drive to Gatwick as the train doesn't run in time for early or late flights

 

[JonathanH]

Are their later trains from Gatwick?

I often have to drive to Gatwick as the train doesn't run in time for early or late flights

No, start and end of service is unchanged.