Derailment near Grange Over Sands

[driver9000]

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Is this part of a brake assembly? It's lying on the wall near the work site (tidied up by a contractor?) The blue paint can be seen on the stone wall at the spots where they had to partly demolish to get access during the re-railing operation. Currently they are drilling test samples, presumably to make sure their work has suitable foundations and will stand the test of time

Certainly looks like it could be the mangled remains of a brake caliper.

 

[Scooby]

It's almost as if the golf club was pumping the water up and over the embankment but a leak in the pipe below the rails was allowing at least some of it to find it's way back to where it came from....... until the tamper finished the job?

If it was (which I doubt) it was doing an appalling job, as the golf club's greens have been flooded for months.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Is staying on the train beyond Lancaster to Carlisle and travelling back down the coast permitted because of this incident?

Where on the Cumbrian Coast line are you headed for?

Millom

Walk up tickets from London to Millom are, I believe, invariably always routed "via Barrow-in-Furness". Advance tickets will be as per the itinerary provided, and will likely be routed "AWC & Connections". Not aware if there is any temporary easement to allow travel to Millom via Carlisle/Whitehaven, even if it's quicker than travelling on the RRB. Anyone know otherwise?

 

[mikel543]

Walk up tickets from London to Millom are, I believe, invariably always routed "via Barrow-in-Furness". Advance tickets will be as per the itinerary provided, and will likely be routed "AWC & Connections". Not aware if there is any temporary easement to allow travel to Millom via Carlisle/Whitehaven, even if it's quicker than travelling on the RRB. Anyone know otherwise?

Carlisle to Millom is about 2 hrs + Lancaster - Carlisle is roughly and 1hr on a Pendolino set.

So that's 3 hrs travelling time, not including time waiting for connecting trains.

Replacement bus Lancaster - Barrow is scheduled 2 hrs + 1/2 hr train from Barrow to Millom

So in theory it's still quicker to get the replacement bus, but it may be quicker to Carlisle if the connection time is more favourable. This is assuming ticket route restrictions are lifted.

Walk up tickets from London to Millom are, I believe, invariably always routed "via Barrow-in-Furness". Advance tickets will be as per the itinerary provided, and will likely be routed "AWC & Connections". Not aware if there is any temporary easement to allow travel to Millom via Carlisle/Whitehaven, even if it's quicker than travelling on the RRB. Anyone know otherwise?

Tickets are valid via Carlisle on TPE services and Avanti services. The text below is lifted from Northern's website

"Ticket restrictions have been lifted during this disruption.
Ticket acceptance has been granted with TransPennine Express between Lancaster and Carlisle
Ticket acceptance has been granted with Avanti between Lancaster and Carlisle"

Source: https://www.northernrailway.co.uk/service-updates

 

[mbonwick]

If it was (which I doubt) it was doing an appalling job, as the golf club's greens have been flooded for months.

The golf club haven't been running the pumps continuously (as shown by how rapidly the water has dropped since the derailment with them running 24/7).
I can't remember where I read it, but they've been quoted as saying the pumps cost £9k/year at least to run, which they can't afford as membership has dropped by half due to the course being flooded, cost of living etc etc.

 

[Adam0984]

195s escaping I believe Barrow to Preston via Carlisle

Realtime Trains | 5C95 0755 Barrow C.S. to Preston | 05/04/2024

Real-time train running information for 5C95 0755 departure from Barrow C.S. to Preston on 05/04/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Killingworth]

195s escaping I believe Barrow to Preston via Carlisle

Realtime Trains | 5C95 0755 Barrow C.S. to Preston | 05/04/2024

Real-time train running information for 5C95 0755 departure from Barrow C.S. to Preston on 05/04/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Although it says "Pathed as Class 150/153/155/156 DMU" ?

 

[yorkie]

Although it says "Pathed as Class 150/153/155/156 DMU" ?

This is just a timing load, nothing more.

 

[Pinus contorta]

This is just a timing load, nothing more.

However they could be moving 156 units down to Preston towards where they are needed because they aren't all required at Barrow due to the reduced service level. Someone has said that there are 195s being used on the millom evening services. I'm sure someone has worked out what doesn't need to have an exam if it's only going back and forth to Millom twice a day.

 

[yorkie]

I make no comment regarding what the working is; all I'm saying is that "pathed as..." only indicates a timing load in the timetable data, and does not in any way state what has been allocated for any given service.

 

[Adam0984]

However they could be moving 156 units down to Preston towards where they are needed because they aren't all required at Barrow due to the reduced service level. Someone has said that there are 195s being used on the millom evening services. I'm sure someone has worked out what doesn't need to have an exam if it's only going back and forth to Millom twice a day.

It probably worked for the exam schedule and the unit availability at the estimate for the line reopening now (excuse the pun) that has slipped further it probably requires the units to be removed from Barrow

 

[Pinus contorta]

It probably worked for the exam schedule and the unit availability at the estimate for the line reopening now (excuse the pun) that has slipped further it probably requires the units to be removed from Barrow

Yea I'm no mathematician you're probably right.

 

[Mike Redding]

195s escaping I believe Barrow to Preston via Carlisle

Realtime Trains | 5C95 0755 Barrow C.S. to Preston | 05/04/2024

Real-time train running information for 5C95 0755 departure from Barrow C.S. to Preston on 05/04/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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And now for something different.

With the line still closed south of Barrow, there was a unusual movement through Workington in the form of two Class 195 units, 195 121 & 122 heading 5C49 Barrow CS to Preston via Carlisle.

This is only the second time a 195 has ran north of Barrow, but the first time one stopped at the station.

From https://www.facebook.com/share/p/dNmFCxXKFVfkG9ny/

Screenshot of post for those not on Facebook, shows a 6 car class 195 combination paused at Workington station.

 

[zwk500]

Is Workington the far side of the difficult bit? Apologies, my comprehension of the railway geography between Barrow and Carlisle is always quite poor.

 

[M&NEJ]

Is Workington the far side of the difficult bit? Apologies, my comprehension of the railway geography between Barrow and Carlisle is always quite poor.

No, it goes: Whitehaven - Workington - Maryport - the difficult bit - Carlisle

 

[ScottGallagher]

Interesting, so assume it made it through to Carlisle, my eyesight is bad so are the stepboards visible in the picture?

 

[Toby Atkinson]

Did it have passengers on

 

[driver9000]

Did it have passengers on

Class 5 is empty stock so no passengers.

Interesting, so assume it made it through to Carlisle, my eyesight is bad so are the stepboards visible in the picture?

Steps still fitted in the photograph.

 

[Killingworth]

Next question is whether that means 195s can be cleared for regular services, or just occasional ECS moves.

 

[zwk500]

Next question is whether that means 195s can be cleared for regular services, or just occasional ECS moves.

Even if they can't be cleared for regular services as is, it strongly suggests the work required to do so wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Even if they can't be cleared for regular services as is, it strongly suggests the work required to do so wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.

Back in the day I was often able to see the weekly notice books - they were readily available then - and the Cumbrian Coast Line was cleared for diversions with Mk 3 stock and even the International Train ( remember that?! ) was cleared to divert along it ) so I'm inclined to agree that it wouldn't take much work to get the 195s cleared to operate normally along the entire route.

Whether or not anything physical has changed to be more restrictive in the past 20 - 30 years or if it's just a routine gauging and paperwork thing, I have no idea.

 

[randyrippley]

The constant theme in old threads seems to be that the narrow bridges and tunnels have resulted in the tracks being laid too close together for two trains to pass. There doesn't seem to be a risk of bridge or tunnel strikes, just one of hitting an oncoming train.
Which means you'd have to effectively treat the affected section as a single line

 

[snowball]

From https://www.facebook.com/share/p/dNmFCxXKFVfkG9ny/

Screenshot of post for those not on Facebook, shows a 6 car class 195 combination paused at Workington station.

Strange phrase "line closed south of Barrow" - that's almost all sea. Grange is ENE of Barrow.

 

[Moderating team]

As the RAIB have now commenced an investigation we will leave it there for the moment.

Derailment of a passenger train at Grange-over-Sands

Investigation into the derailment of a passenger train at Grange-over-Sands, Cumbria, 22 March 2024.

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Derailment of a passenger train at Grange-over-Sands

Investigation into the derailment of a passenger train at Grange-over-Sands, Cumbria, 22 March 2024.

When they next report we will reopen the thread.

 

[bspahh]

https://www.networkrailmediacentre....y-after-train-derailment-in-grange-over-sands says:

Significant progress made in recovery after train derailment in Grange-over-Sands.​

Region & Route: North West & Central: North West
Network Rail engineers have successfully repaired the embankment as part of a complex operation to recover the railway after a train derailed in Grange-over-Sands on Friday 22 March 2024.

The next step is to relay the ballast (railway stones) and track before services can run again.

Engineers confirm the work is on track to be completed next week.

The derailment involved a Northern train coming off the tracks. A void in the ground was found around 150m away from the train.

The team have been working around the clock to repair the damage as efficiently as possible.

A specialist crane was brought in to rerail and remove the train from the site of the derailment.

With the train safely removed, engineers could start to repair the railway.

A variety of methods were used to carry out a thorough investigation into the ground conditions at the site, while also carrying out complicated repairs in the challenging environment.

Phil James, North West route director, said: “I’m grateful to the people of Cumbria for their patience whilst we carry out this complex investigation and recovery of the railway in Grange-over-Sands following the recent derailment of a Northern train.
“Our engineers are working tirelessly to repair and reopen the railway. We are doing everything we can to get trains on the move between Lancaster and Barrow-in-Furness as soon as possible.”
Passengers are advised to visit northernrailway.co.uk/service-updates for the latest travel advice.

Craig Harrop, regional director for Northern in the North West, said: “This is an important milestone in the significant infrastructure repair works that were needed in order for our services to safely resume. We look forward to Network Rail re-opening the line so that we can operate through rail services and re-connect our customers with the rest of our network.”
For the latest updates on the incident, passengers can follow the Network Rail Lancashire and Cumbria X account (formerly Twitter) on @NetworkRailLC.

 

[a_c_skinner]

BBC reporting Monday morning for services too

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp6gj3elp84o

Work is on track for a railway line between Cumbria and Lancashire to reopen after a derailment.
Last month, a Northern train carrying four passengers and four staff came off the tracks near Grange-over-Sands.
Trains between Barrow and Lancaster have been suspended since 22 March, but services are due to resume on Monday.
Engineers from Network Rail have been working to repair the embankment and re-lay the railway stones and track.

Milestone​

After the train came off the tracks, a void in the ground was discovered approximately 150m (492 ft) from the train.
A specialist crane was subsequently brought in to remove the train from the site of the derailment and commence repair works.
Craig Harrop, regional director for Northern in the North West, said: “This is an important milestone in the significant infrastructure repair works that were needed in order for our services to safely resume.
"We look forward to Network Rail reopening the line, so that we can operate through rail services and reconnect our customers with the rest of our network.”

 

[yorksrob]

Excellent news.

 

[Harvey B]

Are there any Updates on the 195s that were derailed (195104 and 195133)?

 

[Pinus contorta]

They were still sat there last week in the siding. I saw them from the main road through the bushes.

 

[Harvey B]

They were still sat there last week in the siding. I saw them from the main road through the bushes.

So they were rerailed and taken to nearby sidings?