DMU / EMU Only TMD's

[RichmondCommu]

G'day everyone,

During the BR years I'm curious to know how many TMD's only had allocations of EMU's / DMU's and no loco's. The only one I could think of was St Leonards in Hastings.

Your suggestions would be very welcome!

Regards,

Richmond Commuter

 

[Nym]

What about Wembley TMD that used to be a carriage depot then took on Class 390s; with the locomotives maintained at Willesden?

or...

Northumberland Park?
Stonebridge Park?

Siemens Northampton?

New Cross?

 

[RichmondCommu]

What about Wembley TMD that used to be a carriage depot then took on Class 390s; with the locomotives maintained at Willesden?

or...

Northumberland Park?
Stonebridge Park?

Siemens Northampton?

New Cross?

Many thanks for your post. However I was really interested in TMD's in BR days that didn't have loco allocations. I assumed that in BR days rolling stock maintenance facilities were not known as TMD's?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Lincoln was DMUs only wasn't it?

Also Marylebone ( original depot, now the site of a huge block of flats ) was DMU only unless you count the green 08 ( 556??? ) that lived there.

EMUs only: Most of the SR depots ( although many had 08s / 09s as well; don't think Wimbledon had any shunters though... )

 

[Darren R]

It depends on which period to which you are referring. In the days of my youth - late 1970s onwards - there were several oop't north. Hall Road in Liverpool, Newton Heath in Manchester, Bury (in Bury!) and Bradford Hammerton Street were all DMU/EMU-only as far as I remember: although it is possible that they had the odd 08 shunter allocated to them (does that count though? )

 

[Eagle]

Aylesbury? Didn't predate privatization by much (it came in with the 165s).

 

[transmanche]

Hornsey?

AFAIK, built for the 312s and 313s in the mid 70s. Locos would have been at Finsbury Park then.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Lincoln was DMUs only wasn't it?

Hmmm I did consider Lincoln but seem to remember it having an allocation of class 03's. Might be wrong though....

Also Marylebone ( original depot, now the site of a huge block of flats ) was DMU only unless you count the green 08 ( 556??? ) that lived there.

I'm counting shunters as being loco's athough I admit to not knowing that Marylebone had a class 08 on it's books!

EMUs only: Most of the SR depots ( although many had 08s / 09s as well; don't think Wimbledon had any shunters though... )

Again I'm including shunters as being loco's. However Wimbledon is a very good shout. In fact you may well have a winner here!
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It depends on which period to which you are referring. In the days of my youth - late 1970s onwards - there were several oop't north. Hall Road in Liverpool, Newton Heath in Manchester, Bury (in Bury!) and Bradford Hammerton Street were all DMU/EMU-only as far as I remember: although it is possible that they had the odd 08 shunter allocated to them (does that count though? )

I'm pretty certain that Bradford Hammerton Street had a couple of 03's allocated to it so yes I'm including shunters as being locos! However Hall Road and Bury are probable winners! Newton Heath serviced loco's including class 40's in the 1970's so I'm wondering whether it might have had an allocation of 08's for Red Bank?

Many thanks for your suggestions!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I wonder whether the 08 at Marylebone was only there after steam charters were introduced on that route in the late 1980s?

 

[12CSVT]

I wonder whether the 08 at Marylebone was only there after steam charters were introduced on that route in the late 1980s?

The 08 at Marylebone would have been allocated to either Bletchley, Willesden or Old Oak Common.

Other unit only depots I can think of are Ramsgate, Wimbledon, Fratton, St Leonards, Clacton and South Gosforth.

Hornsey doesn't count as it had an allocation of battery electrics (converted from class 501 EMUs). Also Newton Heath and Bradford Hammerton Street both had 08s.

 

[RichmondCommu]

The 08 at Marylebone would have been allocated to either Bletchley, Willesden or Old Oak Common.

Other unit only depots I can think of are Ramsgate, Wimbledon, Fratton, St Leonards, Clacton and South Gosforth.

Hornsey doesn't count as it had an allocation of battery electrics (converted from class 501 EMUs). Also Newton Heath and Bradford Hammerton Street both had 08s.

Many thanks for your post. Were the battery electrics employed as depot shunters?

 

[Taunton]

Off the top of my head :

Birkenhead North and Birkenhead Central, the two depots on the Wirral electric system.

Gosforth in Newcastle, originally just the Tyneside emus, it later had diesels added.

Leith Walk, in Edinburgh, which closed when the service to Glasgow changed over to locos in 1971 and the remaining dmus were sent over to Haymarket.

Hyndland and Shields, the two electric depots in Glasgow.

Did Tyseley in Birmingham have any locos left after steam finished ?

Slade Green. Ilford. East Ham. Ramsgate. Fratton. There seem to be many.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Lovers Walk, Brighton? (the 09 was allocated to Selhurst)

 

[David Barrett]

It depends how far back one goes with some depots: both Lincoln and St. Leonards have been mentioned but both had small numbers of Main Line Locomotives allocated until the Concentration Schemes of the late 1960s after which Lincoln's small allocation of Class30/31s went to Immingham, and St. Leonards lost it's Hastings Gauge 33s. Norwich was, if I recall correctly, another case with Class 30/31s which went elsewhere during the period.

 

[Oswyntail]

It depends how far back one goes with some depots: both Lincoln and St. Leonards have been mentioned but both had small numbers of Main Line Locomotives allocated until the Concentration Schemes of the late 1960s after which Lincoln's small allocation of Class30/31s went to Immingham, and St. Leonards lost it's Hastings Gauge 33s. Norwich was, if I recall correctly, another case with Class 30/31s which went elsewhere during the period.

Both Norwich and Lincoln retained their 03s for quite some time after that.

 

[12CSVT]

Both the Birkenhead depots had diesel shunters during the 1980s (Birkenhead North also had some 73s from 1993 onwards).

Shields Road had AC electrics from 1973 until 1990

Ilford was briefly home to several class 86s from 1989 to 1991. Also 20188 is shown in the platform 5 books as being allocated to Ilford in 1990, although it was probably in departmental use at the time.

The battery electrics referred to in my previous post were for works trains on the 3rd rail section between Drayton Park and Moorgate and the line between Kentish Town and Moorgate (now part of the Thameslink route). Two more were based at Birkenhead for the Merseyrail tunnels.

 

[Taunton]

Did shunters have an actual allocation to Birkenhead North? I'm aware one was normally to be found right outside the shed, shunting the coal concentration depot, but always felt it was allocated to Birkenhead loco depot, and when that closed it was from Chester. Were there fuelling facilities or diesel fitters?

 

[neilmc]

Quite difficult this! Best chances I think would be in the London and South East area which others will know better than myself.

Further north:

How about Hull Botanic Gardens prior to Dairycoates closing?

Soho in Birmingham - did it have an EMU allocation in BR days?

Hamilton DMU depot?

Accrington DMU depot - need a good memory for this!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Soho was built new for the 323s wasn't it?

 

[12CSVT]

Hamilton had 08s allocated until October 1978, when they transferred to Motherwell.

The 03s at Birkenhead Mollington Street briefly transferred to Chester in November 1985 but this move may have only been 'on paper' as they transferred again to Birkenhead North in March 1986. The battery electrics 97701 and 97702 which had been based at Birkenhead North since 1974, were withdrawn in 1993, the same time as four class 73s moved to Birkenhead.

Soho depot was there long before the 323s but didn't have anything allocated until the 323s came into service.

BTW a good source of info regarding locomotive depot allocations is the publication 'Shed by Shed Part Eight' by St Petroc Infopublishing (ISBN 978 0 9567655 0 5)

 

[RichmondCommu]

Quite difficult this! Best chances I think would be in the London and South East area which others will know better than myself.

Further north:

How about Hull Botanic Gardens prior to Dairycoates closing?

Soho in Birmingham - did it have an EMU allocation in BR days?

Hamilton DMU depot?

Accrington DMU depot - need a good memory for this!

Accrington is a good shout and I think you might have a winner here! IIRC it was converted from the old steam MPD. When did it close?
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Just a thought but did Buxton have any DMU's allocated to it? I'm pretty certain that it never had a loco allocation.

 

[D841 Roebuck]

Accrington is a good shout and I think you might have a winner here! IIRC it was converted from the old steam MPD. When did it close?
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Just a thought but did Buxton have any DMU's allocated to it? I'm pretty certain that it never had a loco allocation.

Buxton certainly had a DMU allocation in 1979. However it certainly had locos shedded there in steam days, Iincluding a succession of diesel shunters transferred in and then out again a month later during 1954-56.

Pwllheli also had a DMU aallocation in 1979. I can't see any record of locomotive allocation in BR days.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Buxton certainly had a DMU allocation in 1979. However it certainly had locos shedded there in steam days, Iincluding a succession of diesel shunters transferred in and then out again a month later during 1954-56.

Thanks for your post and the confirmation that Buxton did indeed have DMU's allocated to it. However, in relation to the allocation of locos in steam days its worth remembering that the LNWR MPD was some distance away from the current MPD so they are not one and the same.

 

[David Barrett]

Both Norwich and Lincoln retained their 03s for quite some time after that.

I was referring to 30s, not 03s, as in Brush Type 2, 3 or even 4
, pre English Electric replacement Mirrlees Engined Locomotives as built.

 

[12CSVT]

Buxton certainly had a DMU allocation in 1979. However it certainly had locos shedded there in steam days, Iincluding a succession of diesel shunters transferred in and then out again a month later during 1954-56.

Pwllheli also had a DMU aallocation in 1979. I can't see any record of locomotive allocation in BR days.

Just to complicate things, several class 37s (37380 and 37676 to 37688) were outbased at Buxton from 1987 although still allocated to Tinsley for heavy maintenance. DMUs were allocated there until second generation units took over the line in 1989.

Pwllheli was a temporary depot while Barmouth viaduct was closed for major repairs (I think it had two or three class 101s from what I remember).

Similarly there was a temporary depot at Muir of Ord after Ness Viaduct was washed away in 1989 which had three class 37s, five 156s and several Mk2 coaches allocated.

 

[Taunton]

Buxton had an allocation of the first dozen BRCW 3-car units which came to the LMR, right from new around 1958, which lasted for maybe 20 years until the allocation was centralised at Longsight - although the same units continued to operate from Buxton, so little changed.

It also had a substantial number of diesel locos on shed in the 1970s-80s, especially at weekends, although these were commonly ones notionally allocated to Crewe, or the even more amorphous "Western Lines" for a while. Mostly Class 40s when they were around. I do believe however that the 08 shunters were allocated to Buxton. The line from Peak Forest round the back of the Millers Dale triangle to Buxton was used a lot by locos from Peak Forest quarry to get to/from Buxton depot for fuelling and servicing - and these stone trains from Peak Forest were driven principally by Buxton crews.

 

[RichmondCommu]

It also had a substantial number of diesel locos on shed in the 1970s-80s, especially at weekends, although these were commonly ones notionally allocated to Crewe, or the even more amorphous "Western Lines" for a while. Mostly Class 40s when they were around. I do believe however that the 08 shunters were allocated to Buxton. The line from Peak Forest round the back of the Millers Dale triangle to Buxton was used a lot by locos from Peak Forest quarry to get to/from Buxton depot for fuelling and servicing - and these stone trains from Peak Forest were driven principally by Buxton crews.

We need to remember that there is a big difference between being stabling point (which Buxton clearly was) and having an allocation of its own. Given the number of TMD's in the locality at that time (Crewe Diesel, Tinsley, Wigan Springs Branch and of course Longsight) none of those allocations were really what you would call notional. I find it hard to believe that any shunters were allocated to Buxton given that the local quarries would have owned their own industrial shunters.

Class 40's were indeed a regular sight in the Buxton area but I would suggest that class 20's and class 25's were just as predominate. You are of course correct that there were many light engine movements between Peak Forest and Buxton and it’s not hard to see why Buxton closed.

 

[DXMachina]

Croxley Green depot. All EMU I believe but uniquely catered for both London Underground and BR units

 

[Bevan Price]

I can think of a few:
Birkenhead Central (emu, now disused)
Crossens (emu, closed in 1960s )
Accrington (dmu, was separate from the previous steam shed in that town)

 

[Strathclyder]

Yoker Carriage Sidings. Opened in 1987 to replace Hyndland Depot. Home to 303s, 311s & 314s when new, now home to 318s, 320s & 334s.