Donald Trump and the aftermath of his presidency

[Strathclyder]

One vegetable endorsing another vegetable:

Liz Truss endorses Donald Trump to win US presidential election

The ex-PM warns the "world was safer" under Donald Trump's presidency, and the West is "on the cusp" of conflict.

www.bbc.co.uk

Like we needed any more proof she's totally off her rocker.

 

[uglymonkey]

She really has no awareness at all does she.

 

[dangie]

Like we needed any more proof she's totally off her rocker.

From the BBC article:

‘Ms Truss was speaking ahead of the publication of her new book…’

Says it all.

 

[Strathclyder]

From the BBC article:

‘Ms Truss was speaking ahead of the publication of her new book…’

Says it all.

Really does make one pinch the bridge of the nose, doesn't it?

And no, she doesn't speak, not like a normal human being anyway. Whatever comes out of her mouth can at best be described as a stream of consciousness by a malfunctioning android that's then been tossed in a blender, shredder and woodchipper (in that order). Perfect fit for the MAGAs in other words.

 

[brad465]

Really does make one pinch the bridge of the nose, doesn't it?

And no, she doesn't speak, not like a normal human being anyway. Whatever comes out of her mouth can at best be described as a stream of consciousness by a malfunctioning android that's then been tossed in a blender, shredder and woodchipper (in that order). Perfect fit for the MAGAs in other words.

Guys, I think we have a winner for the "describe Truss in a nutshell" award.

 

[nw1]

One vegetable endorsing another vegetable:

Liz Truss endorses Donald Trump to win US presidential election

The ex-PM warns the "world was safer" under Donald Trump's presidency, and the West is "on the cusp" of conflict.

www.bbc.co.uk

Oh dear. The transformation of the former Lib Dem to hard-right-winger is complete.

Q: What other well-known public figure, as well as Truss, can claim the following:

a) Was anti-monarchist in their youth.
b) Later became a Trump supporter.

The answer you may already know, if not, a clue: someone with a public image (and that's a clue) quite unlike Truss.

 

[BlythPower]

Oh dear. The transformation of the former Lib Dem to hard-right-winger is complete.

Q: What other well-known public figure, as well as Truss, can claim the following:

a) Was anti-monarchist in their youth.
b) Later became a Trump supporter.

The answer you may already know, if not, a clue: someone with a public image (and that's a clue) quite unlike Truss.

That's a Rotten question to ask...

 

[dgl]

I assume Truss' book will be in the fiction section with all the fantasy novels.

So Trump now has the endorsement of a failed leader, who next Prince Andrew?

 

[birchesgreen]

I assume Truss' book will be in the fiction section with all the fantasy novels.

So Trump now has the endorsement of a failed leader, who next Prince Andrew?

I think it will be in recycled paper bog roll pretty soon.

 

[dgl]

I think it will be in recycled paper bog roll pretty soon.

I don't want used bog roll!

 

[birchesgreen]

Big question is, does Trump actually know who Liz Truss is?

 

[D6130]

I assume Truss' book will be in the fiction section with all the fantasy novels.

So Trump now has the endorsement of a failed leader, who next Prince Andrew?

Can't wait for the reviews to start coming in!

 

[najaB]

Big question is, does Trump actually know who Liz Truss is?

I'd say that he knows her as "that lettuce lady", but that assumes that he knows what a lettuce is!

 

[birchesgreen]

I'd say that he knows her as "that lettuce lady", but that assumes that he knows what a lettuce is!

"Lettuce?"
"Yes sir, the green thing on your Big Mac, i always remove it for you."
"Oh she works at McDonalds?"

 

[dangie]

Big question is, does Trump actually know who Liz Truss is?

Well he ‘knows’ quite a few females he allegedly has no knowledge of

 

[OhNoAPacer]

You are all being unfair to Liz Truss. She serves a very valuable function.
Let us say you are trying to decide what the correct viewpoint is on an issue, well simply see where Liz Truss stands on the issue and then you know the alternative is the correct choice.

 

[uglymonkey]

How on earth did she get as far up the greasy pole ( admittedly slid back down a bit) as she did? What checks and balances are in place for heavens sake. Reminds me of that film with Peter Sellers playing "Chancey Gardner" or some such "Being There", as a simpleton one step away from becoming president of the United States. Satire at the time, only too real these days !!

 

[Silenos]

Can't wait for the reviews to start coming in!

There is, strange though it may be to say it of Truss, a strategy (or at least, an eye to the main chance) here. Both the book and the pro-Trump statements are simply an attempt to curry favour with the extremely well-funded US conservative movement, so that she can obtain extremely lucrative speaking engagements

 

[birchesgreen]

Of course, there is always a grift with this lot.

 

[Scotrail314209]

One thing I’ve seen floating about recently, but doesn’t seem to have much discussion is ‘Project 2025’.

About Project 2025 | Project 2025

The actions of liberal politicians in Washington have created a desperate need and unique opportunity for conservatives to start undoing the damage the Left has wrought and build a better country for all Americans in 2025. It is not enough for conservatives to win elections. If we are going to...

www.project2025.org

The actions of liberal politicians in Washington have created a desperate need and unique opportunity for conservatives to start undoing the damage the Left has wrought and build a better country for all Americans in 2025.

It is not enough for conservatives to win elections. If we are going to rescue the country from the grip of the radical Left, we need both a governing agenda and the right people in place, ready to carry this agenda out on day one of the next conservative administration.

This is the goal of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. The project will build on four pillars that will, collectively, pave the way for an effective conservative administration: a policy agenda, personnel, training, and a 180-day playbook.

The project is the effort of a broad coalitionof conservative organizations that have come together to ensure a successful administration begins in January 2025. With the right conservative policy recommendations and properly vetted and trained personnel to implement them, we will take back our government.

A summary of what it all means according to the Guardian:

‘Openly authoritarian campaign’: Trump’s threats of revenge fuel alarm

Trump’s talk of seeking to ‘weaponize’ the DoJ and ‘retribution’ for opponents poses a direct threat to the rule of law and democracy in the US should he win a second term, experts say

www.theguardian.com

Key components of Project 2025 include slashing funding for the Department of Justice, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, and killing the education and commerce departments, moves that Maga allies champion to shrink the “administrative state” and the “deep state” they see as bloated and politicized.

One ominous plan Project 2025 has been weighing would allow Trump to invoke the 1871 Insurrection Act on his first day in office, greenlighting using military forces against political foes and demonstrators protesting a new term for Trump, according to the Washington Post.

Jeffrey Clark, the former DoJ official who schemed with Trump about ways to overturn his loss in Georgia and other states and who the Fulton county district attorney has indicted along with Trump and 17 others, has been “leading the work on the Insurrection Act under Project 2025”, the Post has reported.

Normally I wouldn’t be too concerned, but if you told me ten years ago that Donald Trump would be president and the January 6th riots would happen, I wouldn’t have believed anyone. But after this, I’m genuinely worried that this is a very real and very dangerous possibility in the US.

 

[The Ham]

One thing I’ve seen floating about recently, but doesn’t seem to have much discussion is ‘Project 2025’.



A summary of what it all means according to the Guardian:

‘Openly authoritarian campaign’: Trump’s threats of revenge fuel alarm

Trump’s talk of seeking to ‘weaponize’ the DoJ and ‘retribution’ for opponents poses a direct threat to the rule of law and democracy in the US should he win a second term, experts say

www.theguardian.com

Normally I wouldn’t be too concerned, but if you told me ten years ago that Donald Trump would be president and the January 6th riots would happen, I wouldn’t have believed anyone. But after this, I’m genuinely worried that this is a very real and very dangerous possibility in the US.

Obviously it won't be sold to the American people in such terms, rather the ongoing promise of a smaller government (with the associated implying lower taxes).

Likewise there'll be talk of more free market (i.e. moving towards 100% capitalism), when the reality is that the best systems of government are either capitalism with socialist elements or socialist with capitalism elements. Otherwise with 100% capitalism people would just be a resource which companies would just use and discard, the state would have no justification to look after and the world would become dystopian.

 

[jon0844]

How on earth did she get as far up the greasy pole ( admittedly slid back down a bit) as she did? What checks and balances are in place for heavens sake. Reminds me of that film with Peter Sellers playing "Chancey Gardner" or some such "Being There", as a simpleton one step away from becoming president of the United States. Satire at the time, only too real these days !!

She sold out massively and became a tool for the Tufton Street mob - who she appears to be receiving instructions from. She admitted in a radio interview recently that regarding remain/leave, she had to choose a side. Clearly she was happy to swap all of her views and values once we voted out, and with her book, appearance fees at far-right (Turning Point, Nat-C party conferences etc) she's presumably doing okay income wise, because she's happy to support lunatics, who need someone credible to back up their views. (I say credible in that she was briefly PM, which gives her the necessary status even if most Americans have no idea who she is).

Hence now she's going down the 'deep state' and all that QAnon rabbit-hole stuff, which is especially ironic because in the UK she was PM (so very much part of the 'deep state') and the Tories were/are in power throughout all the troubles she's now blaming on the left. At least Republicans had Obama and now Biden to blame, but - again - they don't really know who she is and probably don't know what party is in power or was when she talks about.

Nevertheless she's now going down the 'Tories are socialists' route and supporting an even bigger lurch to the right. Just like Rishi talks about change, to try and fool people into somehow believing the Tories in power now aren't the Tories you'll be voting for some time later this year.

It's all quite mad, and I can only hope that one day all of these grifters are banished and the Tories can return to where they were around 2008-2010. Nothing good ever comes from supporting headbangers.

As for Trump and where he fits in, who knows. I doubt he knows or cares who Liz is, but he has bigger problems to deal with right now. I can't believe Liz actually believes Trump is fit for office - but she can't just walk away now she's being paid by people who want/need Trump to succeed.

 

[Silenos]

Hence now she's going down the 'deep state' and all that QAnon rabbit-hole stuff, which is especially ironic because in the UK she was PM (so very much part of the 'deep state') and the Tories were/are in power throughout all the troubles she's now blaming on the left.

Ah, you fail to understand the point of all the deep state stuff. The Tories merely formed the government.

According to the ideology, all the Civil Service, the actual levers of power and implementation, not to mention the media (like those bastions of wokery the Daily Mail and Sun), executive agencies and quangos, schools, universities, local government, charities and much of business are, and always have been, totally controlled by a Commytransleftistwoke evil cabal, who frustrated all the lovely kind wonderful things that would otherwise have happened thanks to the marvellous ideas the government of Liz Truss was going to implement.

 

[birchesgreen]

Makes you wonder why these people want to become politicians and especially PM when the real power is in being the chair of the Putney Street Dance Committee.

 

[jon0844]

Makes you wonder why these people want to become politicians and especially PM when the real power is in being the chair of the Putney Street Dance Committee.

This forum needs a like button for posts like this.

 

[Barry169]

The world's gone to pot since he lost office.

Hopefully there will be something left to salvage by the time he's re-elected.

 

[Purple Train]

Hopefully there will be something left to salvage by the time he's re-elected.

What, for him to ruin? There's more diplomacy in my fridge than in Trump, ethically he leaves much to be desired irrespective of whether or not he is found guilty in any of his court cases, politically he's a populist unfettered by anything such as commitments or values, socially he hasn't got a clue, and he has awoken a monster in the US that I suspect will not die down even in my lifetime.

I've given up trying to work out what's true and what's not when it comes to internal US matters: there is virtually no "news" worthy of the name, and it is totally paralysed by polarisation. Everything I can find, from my position on the kangaroo-shaped side of the Great Big Pond, says that the US economy is doing well; my friends on the star-spangled side swear blind that it isn't. My research leads me to believe that Biden is the more dedicated Christian of the two; those same friends are certain that it's the other way around.

If Trump has a skill, it's making things all about him, so that the more politically-dedicated of those who support him can cluster round him like moths to a flame. Suddenly, everything is about the person rather than the policies - for instance, my latter example about the faith of the pair - and fallacy becomes so endemic that logic, while it exists, is relegated to obscurity while the figures in the spotlight feast on the clickable nectar of (sorry) buzzwords and welling outrage. And the pack of cards, slowly, slips up Trump's sleeve, and rains down in a cloud of wool to settle upon willing eyes.

Trump tore up every rule-book in every possible manner, somehow appearing fresh and relatable while doing so. He proved the old adage that "you cannot argue with stupid" - Trump's version of the last two elections, January 6, his net worth, you name it, is so completely detached from any other version that a debate about them turns into a debate on the nature of truth, on which any form of logic and reason cannot hope to act.

If he is given another four years, I can only see the schism getting worse. The US will not be strong, it will be weak: the geopolitical consequences probably won't bear thinking about.

 

[najaB]

The world's gone to pot since he lost office.

Because, of course, there were no wars or societal problems while he was president.

 

[Bantamzen]

The world's gone to pot since he lost office.

Hopefully there will be something left to salvage by the time he's re-elected.

Yeah it was so much better when he was trying to cozy up the US with dictators like Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping & Kim Jong Un....

I trust this post was in jest?

 

[birchesgreen]

The world has gone to pot because he has been in office, the geopolitical effects of his reign of error arn't felt immediately.