East Midlands Railway livery and station branding

[londonmidland]

The purpose of this thread is to discuss and post your findings of any changes you see on trains and at stations following the transition from East Midlands Trains to East Midlands Railway.

This includes both station and train signage, logo’s, station colour schemes etc. No matter how big or small the change is, your discussion is welcome.

I created this thread solely to stop other threads from getting off-topic posts in them as well as so everything can all be in one place.

So far the following trains have received an East Midlands Railway sticker:
158865, 158770, 156410, 158812.


Any updates would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Closet_Railfan]

Can you attach some pictures please? Didn't know that was happening already...

edit: if you have any

 

[jh64]

Posted earlier in the New trains for East Midlands thread:

https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...idlands-franchise.180920/page-51#post-4141573

View attachment 66795

 

[43055]

The purpose of this thread is to discuss and post your findings of any changes you see on trains and at stations following the transition from East Midlands Trains to East Midlands Railway.

This includes both station and train signage, logo’s, station colour schemes etc. No matter how big or small the change is, your discussion is welcome.

I created this thread solely to stop other threads from getting off-topic posts in them as well as so everything can all be in one place.

So far the following trains have received an East Midlands Railway sticker:
158865, 158770, 156410, 158812.


Any updates would be greatly appreciated.

I was literally thinking about creating one of these threads on the way home and thank you for the info on the other EMR thread. Is 43423 or 43480 on the set on Etches Park atm as I spotted one de-branded in the shed as I was walking home.

Anyway here is a fleet list like the WMT and TfW threads which may be useful, I will aim to keep this up to date as much as possible.

Class 08 shunter:
08525 - EMT blue
08690 - EMT blue
08899 - Maroon
08908 - EMT blue
08950 - EMT blue

Class 43 HST power cars:
43043 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43044 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43045 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43046 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43047 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43048 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43049 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43050 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43052 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43054 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43055 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43058 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43059 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43060 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43064 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43066 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43073 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43076 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43081 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43082 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43083 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43089 - Full EMT intercity blue/white

43423 - Plain blue, no branding
43465 - Full EMT Revised blue
43467 - Full EMT Revised blue
43468 - Full EMT Revised blue
43480 - Partly de-branded
43484 - Full EMT Revised blue

Class 153 (Due to leave by Jan 2020):
153302 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153308 - Full EMT regional blue
153310 - Full EMT regional blue
153311 - Full EMT regional blue
153313 - Full EMT regional blue
153318 - Full EMT regional blue
153319 - Full EMT regional blue
153321 - Full EMT regional blue
153326 - Full EMT regional blue
153355 - Full EMT regional blue
153357 - Full EMT regional blue
153368 - Full EMT regional blue
153372 - Full EMT regional blue
153374 - Full EMT regional blue
153376 - Full EMT regional blue
153379 - Full EMT regional blue
153381 - Full EMT regional blue
153382 - Full EMT regional blue
153383 - Full EMT regional blue
153384 - Full EMT regional blue
153385 - Full EMT regional blue

Class 156:
156401 - Full EMT regional blue
156403 - Full EMT regional blue
156404 - Full EMT regional blue
156405 - Full EMT regional blue
156406 - Full EMT regional blue
156408 - Full EMT regional blue
156410 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156411 - Full EMT regional blue
156413 - Full EMT regional blue
156414 - Full EMT regional blue
156415 - Full EMT regional blue
156470 - Full EMT regional blue
156473 - Full EMT regional blue
156497 - Full EMT regional blue
156498 - Full EMT regional blue

Class 158:
158770 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158773 - Full EMT intercity white
158774 - Full EMT intercity white
158777 - Full EMT intercity white
158780 - Full EMT intercity white
158783 - Full EMT intercity white
158785 - Full EMT intercity white
158788 - Full EMT intercity white
158799 - Full EMT intercity white
158806 - Full EMT intercity white
158810 - Full EMT intercity white
158812 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158813 - Full EMT intercity white
158846 - Full EMT intercity white
158847 - Full EMT intercity white
158852 - Full EMT intercity white
158854 - Full EMT intercity white
158856 - Full EMT intercity white
158857 - Full EMT intercity white
158858 - Full EMT intercity white
158862 - Full EMT intercity white
158863 - Full EMT intercity white
158864 - Full EMT intercity white
158865 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158866 - Full EMT intercity white
158889 - Full EMT intercity white

Class 222:
222001 - Full EMT intercity white
222002 - Full EMT intercity white
222003 - Full EMT intercity white
222004 - Full EMT intercity white
222005 - Full EMT intercity white
222006 - Full EMT intercity white

222007 - Full EMT intercity white
222008 - Full EMT intercity white
222009 - Full EMT intercity white
222010 - Full EMT intercity white
222011 - Full EMT intercity white
222012 - Full EMT intercity white
222013 - Full EMT intercity white
222014 - Full EMT intercity white
222015 - Full EMT intercity white
222016 - Full EMT intercity white
222017 - Full EMT intercity white
222018 - Full EMT intercity white
222019 - Full EMT intercity white
222020 - Full EMT intercity white
222021 - Full EMT intercity white
222022 - Full EMT intercity white
222023 - Full EMT intercity white

222101 - Full EMT intercity white
222102 - Full EMT intercity white
222103 - Full EMT intercity white
222104 - Full EMT intercity white

 

[43096]

43061/075 are not EMT power cars.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Having travelled on 156410 today, I can confirm that there is no EMR logo, just new EMR internal posters.

 

[43055]

43061/075 are not EMT power cars.

Are these power cars not on a 'hire' to LNER which is why the EMT livery remains on them?

 

[43096]

Are these power cars not on a 'hire' to LNER which is why the EMT livery remains on them?

No, they are directly leased to LNER from Porterbrook and have been for some time. They’ve just never received LNER livery for some reason.

 

[Kneedown]

No, they are directly leased to LNER from Porterbrook and have been for some time. They’ve just never received LNER livery for some reason.

Well 061 pops up on EMT services from time to time. I remember working it Leic to Notts just over a year ago. As a Foxes fan I took a pic of the nameplate.

 

[Andy Pacer]

And you would still assume 061 and 075 would at least have the EMT logos removed so their inclusion here is quite justified.

 

[cactustwirly]

And you would still assume 061 and 075 would at least have the EMT logos removed so their inclusion here is quite justified.

Why? They're never going to get EMR branding, and they never work on the MML, except for a small handful of times.
They are LNER powercars not EMT.

 

[Andy Pacer]

Why? They're never going to get EMR branding, and they never work on the MML, except for a small handful of times.
They are LNER powercars not EMT.

I'm sure someone somewhere will be interested to learn when they have their EMT fleetnames removed... surely!

 

[43055]

No, they are directly leased to LNER from Porterbrook and have been for some time. They’ve just never received LNER livery for some reason.

Ok. It's just odd that they have never taken EMT off the side of the power cars.

Anyway 153302 has now received EMR branding.

 

[cactustwirly]

Ok. It's just odd that they have never taken EMT off the side of the power cars.

Anyway 153302 has now received EMR branding.

I'm guessing it's because of when one of the actual EMT powercars replaces either 075/061, it doesn't look out of place?

 

[Mariner16]

158810 done today

 

[MML]

Does anyone else tire of the considerable waste of money involved in this continual rebranding ?
I don't mind an internal and external refurbishment of stock at regular intervals, but when you see the same service or lack of, same trains, same stations, same staff, increasing prices and lack of comfort and seats, it's quite irritating to see new stickers, new liveries and minor cosmetic adjustments.
And apart from the few enthusiasts, the general public probably won't even notice the stickers. A passenger travelling from London to Sheffield couldn't really care whether it's called EMT, EMR or ERM. They want a seat, at a reasonable price at the time of their choosing.

Privatisation doesn't seem to have improved comfort, capacity or reduced prices for customers. It has simply diverted revenue into the pockets of PR merchants, branding consultants and those providing the stickers, posters and paint. Rant over.

 

[NoMorePacers]

The new branding looks absolutely godawful.

 

[Neptune]

The belief is that most new liveries now will carry on to the next franchise regardless of operator. This explains First losing their corporate livery from GWR, TPE etc.... Northern livery will now remain into the next franchise regardless of operator. As EMR takes on a Stagecoach branded franchise then the new livery will be fixed at the next change.

 

[MML]

Don't worry. They'll stick with it until 80% of the fleet is done and then change it all again.

It's too dark for my liking. And dark colours sometimes show more of the dust and dirt.
A nice neutral silver or grey which didn't need to be changed with every franchise would do.

Problem with First. Stagecoach and Virgin is they cover the whole train in their corporate colours so the trains have to be re-painted when new owner takes over. Thameslink, Great Northern branding seems better with little to change if the franchise changed hands.

 

[Roast Veg]

The belief is that most new liveries now will carry on to the next franchise regardless of operator. This explains First losing their corporate livery from GWR, TPE etc.... Northern livery will now remain into the next franchise regardless of operator. As EMR takes on a Stagecoach branded franchise then the new livery will be fixed at the next change.

Whilst that is true for EMR, SWR, LNER, TFW, LNR, WMR, and Northern, the GWR rebrand was a Firstgroup initiative that may or may not last into the next franchise as-is. I'm not sure about TPE.

 

[Urobach]

43049/66/76/82 all debranded. 43050/81 carrying 11 years of EMT branding

 

[Ducatist4]

They are currently in the process of repainting Shirebrook station on the Robin Hood line. It’s the same blue and orange colour scheme as before.

 

[Hairy Bear]

222012 emr intercity brand
156404 emr regional brand

 

[LowLevel]

They are currently in the process of repainting Shirebrook station on the Robin Hood line. It’s the same blue and orange colour scheme as before.

All stations have to be returned in a decent condition hence the quick repaint of the local stations into blue, some replacement of benches and other furniture where needed, some of which were peeling away to reveal a motley assortment of colours. The orange is only being used where required to comply with disability rules I believe.

Nottingham is the main exception - it was listed in it's current BR Regional Railways colours and thus will remain that way permanently regardless of the operator, the only thing that changes is the signage. As a result it's just being repainted in it's existing colours. It's a pleasing enough colour scheme so not really an issue.

 

[swt_passenger]

The purpose of this thread is to discuss and post your findings of any changes you see on trains and at stations following the transition from East Midlands Trains to East Midlands Railway.

This includes both station and train signage, logo’s, station colour schemes etc. No matter how big or small the change is, your discussion is welcome.

I created this thread solely to stop other threads from getting off-topic posts in them as well as so everything can all be in one place.

So far the following trains have received an East Midlands Railway sticker:
158865, 158770, 156410, 158812.


Any updates would be greatly appreciated.

Good idea about the rolling stock, but surely anything to do with stations will now be in the wrong forum? Mind there’s usually relatively little to say about station paintwork and signage so maybe it doesn’t really matter...

 

[londonmidland]

156405 has received its EMR stickers.

 

[londonmidland]

Good idea about the rolling stock, but surely anything to do with stations will now be in the wrong forum? Mind there’s usually relatively little to say about station paintwork and signage so maybe it doesn’t really matter...

I couldn’t really find an appropriate section to place this thread in, but I suppose this section suits it the most.

I got the idea from the WMT thread, which also posts updates about station paintwork and signage. That is too placed in the Traction & Rolling Stock section.

 

[swt_passenger]

I couldn’t really find an appropriate section to place this thread in, but I suppose this section suits it the most.

I got the idea from the WMT thread, which also posts updates about station paintwork and signage. That is too placed in the Traction & Rolling Stock section.

Same in the SWR livery thread. I don’t really think it’s a problem.

 

[43055]

158810 done today

43049/66/76/82 all debranded. 43050/81 carrying 11 years of EMT branding

222012 emr intercity brand
156404 emr regional brand

156405 has received its EMR stickers.

Thank you for the updates. Hopefully power cars 50 and 81 are on the special HST tomorrow so I can get a picture.

I will update the list over the weekend to save filling the thread up with lots of really long posts and there after once or twice a week depending what happens.

 

[Ducatist4]

All stations have to be returned in a decent condition hence the quick repaint of the local stations into blue, some replacement of benches and other furniture where needed, some of which were peeling away to reveal a motley assortment of colours. The orange is only being used where required to comply with disability rules I believe.

Thanks, that’s interesting! So it’s possible they could be painting it again in a few weeks?