ECML Electrified Diversion Routes

[dan4291]

Are there any other electrified diversion routes on the ECML apart from the Hertford Loop and Doncaster Decoy?

 

[_toommm_]

Newcastle to Carlisle isn’t, but Carlisle northwards is.

 

[Dr Hoo]

Tyne bridges and Millerhill Yard.

 

[Mag_seven]

Are there any other electrified diversion routes on the ECML apart from the Hertford Loop and Doncaster Decoy?

Depends what you mean by "diversion route" i.e. would the electrified freight lines that by-pass York station count?

 

[Ianno87]

Hitchin-Cambridge-Ely-Peterborough is electrified Hitchin-Ely.

Not sure where recent bi-mode diversions have been changing power...
*fairly* sure they were on AC through Letchworth but on diesel when passing Cambridge.

 

[dan4291]

Depends what you mean by "diversion route" i.e. would the electrified freight lines that by-pass York station count?

Was really thinking of diversion routes used by passenger trains that are electrified, routes that LNER would use in an emergency or during engineering works.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

-------routes that LNER would use in an emergency or during engineering works.

Bimodes change the dynamic considerably of course. A few diversionary routes but I can not think of anymore apart from the ones already mentioned that are electrified.

If engineering works are planned well in advance rather than being an emergency, then it helps considerably having bimodes or even last mile ore two capability locos.

 

[edwin_m]

WCML provides an alternative between London and Edinburgh...

 

[route101]

How often is the route through Millerhill used as a diversion?

 

[59CosG95]

Hitchin-Cambridge-Ely-Peterborough is electrified Hitchin-Ely.

Not sure where recent bi-mode diversions have been changing power...
*fairly* sure they were on AC through Letchworth but on diesel when passing Cambridge.

Probably Litlington (?) MPTSC. I don't think the feeders at Milton Fen & Shepreth Branch Jn can take the additional electrical load from the Azumas.

 

[Kieran1990]

Are there any other electrified diversion routes on the ECML apart from the Hertford Loop and Doncaster Decoy?

how often is Doncaster Decoy used by LNER/ HT / GC?

 

[Class 170101]

how often is Doncaster Decoy used by LNER/ HT / GC?

Was used whilst Doncaster Platform 0 was built on Sundays / weekends.

 

[Dr Hoo]

How often is the route through Millerhill used as a diversion?

I only recall the North Berwick locals going that way once, on a pre-planned basis. (Presumably more straightforward for a few local crews to get route knowledge.)

 

[30907]

how often is Doncaster Decoy used by LNER/ HT / GC?

Used to be a regular morning Up Leeds over the bridge and down to Loversall Carr Jn - don't think it runs now.

 

[Andyjs247]

1A25 1045 Leeds - Kings Cross Su is booked Platform 8 at Doncaster then WSL and over the flyover to Loversall Carr Jn.

In the down direction 1N83 1106 Kings Cross - York runs via Decoy SX and SO.

 

[Ianno87]

In the down direction 1N83 1106 Kings Cross - York runs via Decoy SX and SO.

The one time I've been on that train, it was late and ran "normal" route instead.

 

[route101]

The one time I've been on that train, it was late and ran "normal" route instead.

What is decoy?

 

[Taunton]

If you count the ECML trains extended from Edinburgh to Glasgow Central, via Carstairs or via Shotts are electric alternatives.

 

[swt_passenger]

What is decoy?

It’s the name of a freight yard in an area of Doncaster known as Decoy. (Before the railway was built)

 

[edwin_m]

If you count the ECML trains extended from Edinburgh to Glasgow Central, via Carstairs or via Shotts are electric alternatives.

But there's only one LNER in each direction so it has plenty of choice! Others are Cross Country so diesels.

 

[Class 170101]

Do LNER sign those diversionary routes anymore now its only one per day? I'm not sure they sign Shotts either, It wasn't electrified whrn the Glasgow services were in East Coast hands vice Cross Country.

 

[Ianno87]

Probably Litlington (?) MPTSC. I don't think the feeders at Milton Fen & Shepreth Branch Jn can take the additional electrical load from the Azumas.

You are correct - there is a "drop pantograph" sign on the Down line shortly before Litlington.

There does also seem to be one covered up between Ely and Ely North Jn, prezumably awaiting the power upgrade to be complete, so 80xs can (eventually) use AC all the way to Ely

 

[59CosG95]

You are correct - there is a "drop pantograph" sign on the Down line shortly before Litlington.

There does also seem to be one covered up between Ely and Ely North Jn, prezumably awaiting the power upgrade to be complete, so 80xs can (eventually) use AC all the way to Ely

That would make sense. Do the 755s have the ability to drop pans on the move? Do GA even allow them to do so?
If the Drop Pan signs aren't also used by the Stadlers, then they'll definitely be for an Azuma.

 

[Class 170101]

Pans up and Down at Ely Station from what I have heard diesel between Ely and Ely North Jn for Stadlers.

 

[Ianno87]

Pans up and Down at Ely Station from what I have heard diesel between Ely and Ely North Jn for Stadlers.

Correct.

Similarly, changeovers at Stowmarket for Cambridge-Ipswich.

I *believe* they are capable of changeovers on the move (not sure about the OLE, mind), but in-station changes are so quick** there's not much benefit other than a slight fuel saving.

**Witnessed a sub 60 second dwell with changeover at Ely the other day.

 

[Class 170101]

Correct.

Similarly, changeovers at Stowmarket for Cambridge-Ipswich.

I *believe* they are capable of changeovers on the move (not sure about the OLE, mind), but in-station changes are so quick** there's not much benefit other than a slight fuel saving.

**Witnessed a sub 60 second dwell with changeover at Ely the other day.

It will be the NR OLE thats not up to the job.

 

[30907]

1A25 1045 Leeds - Kings Cross Su is booked Platform 8 at Doncaster then WSL and over the flyover to Loversall Carr Jn.

In the down direction 1N83 1106 Kings Cross - York runs via Decoy SX and SO.

Thanks, I didn't think to look at Sunday times.