ECML South disruption - OLE down 09/12

[Wallsendmag]

Due to serious overcrowding it looks as though Avanti are now refusing to convey ‘LNER only’ customers.

Since 1300

 

[TheBigD]

Due to serious overcrowding it looks as though Avanti are now refusing to convey ‘LNER only’ customers.

With the MML also shut Luton to Bedford (planned engineering work) as well as the ECML effectively being shut, I'd imagine that the WCML is struggling with all the extra passengers in addition to their own.

 

[dk1]

Since 1300

Cheers. I noticed it somewhere on an ‘X’ post but didn’t note the time. WCML like most long distance services would be very well patronised on a Sunday afternoon anyway.

With the MML also shut Luton to Bedford (planned engineering work) as well as the ECML effectively being shut, I'd imagine that the WCML is struggling with all the extra passengers in addition to their own.

Very true. A perfect storm.

 

[Beebman]

Comedian Mark Thomas has just posted this photo on his X of the queue for buses at Grantham:

https://twitter.com/markthomasinfo/status/1733877527595057457

 

[185143]

Allegedly Avanti revoked ticket acceptance after a TM was assaulted this morning, according to the guard of the TPE train I'm currently on, which is carrying displaced passengers.

 

[55002]

People been queuing for over 3 hours at Grantham yet LnER keep sending the trains there. its all well and good issuing a do not travel warning but the reality is that will get ignored simply cos people have no other option. Especially on a Sunday. No win situation.

 

[185143]

People been queuing for over 3 hours at Grantham yet LnER keep sending the trains there. its all well and good issuing a do not travel warning but the reality is that will get ignored simply cos people have no other option. Especially on a Sunday. No win situation.

Why shouldn't they?

Not everyone is travelling to London, Grantham is a destination in it's own right, and also an Interchange for Skegness, Boston and Nottingham amongst other places.

 

[gerjomarty]

Why shouldn't they?

Not everyone is travelling to London, Grantham is a destination in it's own right, and also an Interchange for Skegness, Boston and Nottingham amongst other places.

Because as I've just personally experienced, it's not designed to handle the 1000-odd people currently inside the station?

 

[MontyP]

Allegedly Avanti revoked ticket acceptance after a TM was assaulted this morning, according to the guard of the TPE train I'm currently on, which is carrying displaced passengers.

I'm on the 1435 Manc- Euston and they were fine with accepting LNER passengers.

 

[midland1]

1E16 1300 Edin, KX standing some time now outside of Grantham perhaps waiting for bus que to go down at Grantham.

 

[55002]

Why shouldn't they?

Not everyone is travelling to London, Grantham is a destination in it's own right, and also an Interchange for Skegness, Boston and Nottingham amongst other places.

Because there is a safety risk at the station with hundreds of people and very few staff to control the crowds. That should be relayed to control. Maybe terminate at Newark or Doncaster and use local coach firms there to take people to Peterborough. I suspect coaches and drivers are thin on the ground wherever though

 

[Banham7]

1F88 91114 has now been coupled to 47812 and will be leaving PBO shortly.

 

[55002]

1700 has left London and according to LNER website is running all the way with stops at Peterborough Newark and Doncaster. Wonder,if they have managed to open the down? Or is it going via Lincoln to Newark and reverse

 

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1E16 1300 Edin, KX standing some time now outside of Grantham perhaps waiting for bus que to go down at Grantham.

1A40 has been sat at Newark for about 25mins now.

 

[55002]

1A40 has been sat at Newark for about 25mins now.

I guess like 1E16, Grantham too congested from safety perspective or possibly they waiting to get lines reopened. Like I said above LNER website says few more trains running direct out of Kings Cross this evening. 1F88 not left Peterborough yet either. (Edit it has now and signalled onto Joint) 1A87 heading on the up also, I suspect a couple of lines at be reopened soon

 

[gazzaa2]

I know it's not always that easy as many journeys are essential/booked well in advance, but I won't travel by rail these days if there's any extreme weather forecast. The infrastructure is not robust at all to handle extreme or even inclement weather.

But you get a weekend of storms and heavy rain and the trains are still packed out. Should there have been more 'do not travel' warnings earlier this weekend?

 

[Beebman]

1E16 1300 Edin, KX standing some time now outside of Grantham perhaps waiting for bus que to go down at Grantham.

I've no idea if this X post is accurate but if it's correct it's very concerning:

https://twitter.com/RugbyFella1/status/1733901855149683168

There is now violence, police involved at Grantham. We are not patient or understanding and unless you get this train stuck outside Grantham moving soon...

 

[Andymo]

This is not extreme or severe weather by any stretch of the imagination. It’s raining and windy like it does regularly in the UK

 

[gazzaa2]

This is not extreme or severe weather by any stretch of the imagination. It’s raining and windy like it does regularly in the UK

Strong winds and heavy rain will cause problems on our lines though and increasingly so. Whether it's flooding, OLE/power issues, trees or other obstacles falling onto tracks.

The extreme of very hot weather/sub zero temperatures/heavy snow/stronger storms etc which would bring out more warnings over travel is more rare.

 

[comradeDaisy]

just got off what i believe was a substitute LNER service from KGX to PBO ( 1F23 )

surprisingly empty train tbh

 

[thomalex]

I've no idea if this X post is accurate but if it's correct it's very concerning:

https://twitter.com/RugbyFella1/status/1733901855149683168

2 buses booked. Sounds ridiculous.

I was affected by this yesterday on the last train down from York to London at 8pm, fortunately while the journey took 2 hours longer than planned we were eventually able to make it on same train via a diversion via Lincoln and down to Peterborough avoiding the affected area. Does anyone know why this isn't being done today?

 

[midland1]

1E16 still outside Grantham, 1A40 standing 45mins at Newark NG, 1A87 standing at Retford.

 

[kingqueen]

LNER stating that the 1835 North from King's Cross will be the first one to leave - presumably back on the ECML.

https://twitter.com/LNER/status/1733895239331451194

LNER stating that the 1835 North from King's Cross will be the first one to leave - presumably back on the ECML.

https://twitter.com/LNER/status/1733895239331451194

Ah, though now down as "delayed" https://twitter.com/g_uk_notts/status/1733911305323499902?t=t9qSsZyP06AEqP43MUhfXQ&s=19

 

[Julia]

Is platform 4 at Grantham not wired? Wondering why 1E16 hasn't been shunted into the station. (Although I note it's a bimode 5-car + AC 5-car) Also 1A40 is a bimode, presumably can't shunt on to the joint line?

 

[TheBigD]

Out of interest, does anyone know why 1F88 was delayed by 45 minutes at Peterborough?
It shouldn't take 45 minutes to attach an assisting loco..

 

[Beebman]

1E16 still outside Grantham, 1A40 standing 45mins at Newark NG, 1A87 standing at Retford.

Also EMR's 2S27 16:50 Nottingham - Skegness appears to have been held outside Grantham on the line from Allington Jct since 17:24 even though P4 seems to be clear (maybe the footbridge is blocked with the crowds?)

Meanwhile LNER's X seems to be adamant that a train will leave Grantham shortly for KGX. The departure board on Tiger Rail shows an 18:00 1G50 departure on P1 with the estimated time constantly being pushed back but just now I see it's appeared on the Open Train Times map.

 

[TheBigD]

Is platform 3 at Grantham not wired? Wondering why 1E16 hasn't been shunted into the station. (Although I note it's a bimode 5-car + AC 5-car) Also 1A40 is a bimode, presumably can't shunt on to the joint line?

Platform 3 at Grantham only takes 3 cars max. It also has an operating restriction on it so it isn't normally used anymore, though does see occasional use.

Platform 4 needs to be kept clear for the Nottingham and Skegness trains.

 

[55002]

I think they are waiting for lines to be reopened hence 1S26 being held at Peterborough and the 3 on the Up

 

[Trainguy34]

Looks like EMR are trying to get a train through (1Z13) in 10 minutes...

 

[Julia]

Platform 3 at Grantham only takes 3 cars max. It also has an operating restriction on it so it isn't normally used anymore, though does see occasional use.

Platform 4 needs to be kept clear for the Nottingham and Skegness trains.

Sorry, corrected myself when I realised I couldn't count...