Edinburgh Tram developments

[Hophead]

Heathrow Connect?

 

[me123]

The price is stupidly high in Edinburgh though for the extra distance when you can see the Airport from the prior stop.

You can walk to the airport from the prior stop. I highly recommend it.

 

[Failed Unit]

It is common, look at Stansted for the stop before price difference. I think Edinburgh is the only airport i know where you don't have much hardship walking from the stop before if you are reasonably fit.

 

[Butts]

It is common, look at Stansted for the stop before price difference. I think Edinburgh is the only airport i know where you don't have much hardship walking from the stop before if you are reasonably fit.

And don't have a load of luggage

Amazingly enough there is a distinct lack of signage which might put those who do not know the way off.

I have even walked from the main road after getting off the 38 Bus

 

[Kite159]

Is there any news on the new station at Edinburgh Gateway?

 

[Failed Unit]

And don't have a load of luggage

Amazingly enough there is a distinct lack of signage which might put those who do not know the way off.

I have even walked from the main road after getting off the 38 Bus

I have always wondered why some of the local routes don't go around the airport. Maybe adds 5 mins to the timetable but surely lost demand. Unless the airport will charge them a fortune to do so.

 

[Butts]

I have always wondered why some of the local routes don't go around the airport. Maybe adds 5 mins to the timetable but surely lost demand. Unless the airport will charge them a fortune to do so.

I suspect the charges would be prohibitive.

Do you know why the "park and ride" building at Ingilston is all fenced off and boarded up - are they refurbishing it ?

 

[atillathehunn]

Schiphol is an interesting one. There isn't an airport surcharge, and served by regular domestic intercity, local and international trains.

Haven't taken a bus there in many years. No metro there, though.

Hong Kong has only express trains (MTR) and buses. The bus is the cheap option, though slow. The train is about 30 minutes to central station from memory. It's 100HKD same day return (c. £10). Clean, quick, efficient.

 

[jopsuk]

on rail/tram connected UK airports (not ones with connecting buses)

Heathrow: No surcharge on Underground (it is Zone 6, which is right), something of a surcharge on Connect, really expensive on Express
Gatwick: There's a Stupid Tax on passengers that use the Express. Other trains are "normal" fares
Stansted: a surcharge of sorts if travelling from the south
Southend: No surcharge
City: No Surcharge
Birmingham: No surcharge
Manchester: No Surcharge
Newcastle: Special fare zone
Edinburgh: Special fare zone
Prestwick: No Surcharge

 

[Failed Unit]

I would argue Prestwick is (was) the opposite, often giving discounts to rail passengers presenting their boarding passes. Not sure if this is still the case.

 

[Butts]

I would argue Prestwick is (was) the opposite, often giving discounts to rail passengers presenting their boarding passes. Not sure if this is still the case.

With the number flights from prestwick I wouldn't be suprised if they were giving free travel to the airport to try and get some people to use it.

 

[glbotu]

Newcastle's "Special Fare Zone" is just Metro Zone 3, which is the same as The Coast, Sunderland, South Shields etc, and based on a distance from the centre perspective, is probably right.

 

[Butts]

Newcastle's "Special Fare Zone" is just Metro Zone 3, which is the same as The Coast, Sunderland, South Shields etc, and based on a distance from the centre perspective, is probably right.

And you can get a Metro single ticket to the airport for £3.30 two quid cheaper than Edinburghs "rip off" tram operation. Indeed you can get a Daysaver for the whole of the Metro Area including Bus , Rail and Ferry for cheaper than a single to Edinburgh Airport.

I can't understand why there is not a campaign to get this ridiculous "airport surcharge" removed or at least reduced.

 

[tbtc]

And you can get a Metro single ticket to the airport for £3.30 two quid cheaper than Edinburghs "rip off" tram operation. Indeed you can get a Daysaver for the whole of the Metro Area including Bus , Rail and Ferry for cheaper than a single to Edinburgh Airport.

I can't understand why there is not a campaign to get this ridiculous "airport surcharge" removed or at least reduced.

1. Is the tram running empty beyond Ingleston?

2. Were there the same complaints about the fact that, for many years, the only bus to the Airport was an expensive premium service? (before the tediously slow 35 was extended there)

 

[Blindtraveler]

I think the airlink only really became a premium service post 35 extention which was quite some time ago. I think as long as the tram remains a cheeper alternative to a taxi for the edinburgh park business people then it will continue. That said if 2 people are traveling from the same orgonisation 2 lots of tram tickets is about the same as a cab from Edinburgh park/the gyle

 

[oldman]

Edinburgh Trams have only the airport fare that is under their control. Everything else (including season tickets for airport workers) is effectively controlled by Lothian, so they get 1.60 or less per journey. Someone has to pay for the trams and occasional travellers to the airport are as good as anyone.

Back in 2013 it was planned to charge more to the P and R but that was dropped and the airport fare increased when it went live.

However, passengers travelling from Ingliston or the airport to Gogarburn will be charged £2.50, with a child fare costing £1.50.

A return to the airport from any other stop will be £7.50 (£4 child fare). Drivers can take the tram from the Ingliston park and ride for £2.50.

 

[Butts]

Edinburgh Trams have only the airport fare that is under their control. Everything else (including season tickets for airport workers) is effectively controlled by Lothian, so they get 1.60 or less per journey. Someone has to pay for the trams and occasional travellers to the airport are as good as anyone.

Back in 2013 it was planned to charge more to the P and R but that was dropped and the airport fare increased when it went live.

Is Ingilston Park and Ride to the Airport possibly the worst value Fare on any Public Network in the UK at £5.30 for one stop ?

 

[me123]

1. Is the tram running empty beyond Ingleston?

There seem to be plenty of people willing to use the tram all the way to the airport any time I've seen it, although I've only ever done it once. Perhaps locals know better but certainly visitors to the city are quite happy to use the trams from what I've seen.

 

[jkkne]

And you can get a Metro single ticket to the airport for £3.30 two quid cheaper than Edinburghs "rip off" tram operation. Indeed you can get a Daysaver for the whole of the Metro Area including Bus , Rail and Ferry for cheaper than a single to Edinburgh Airport.

I can't understand why there is not a campaign to get this ridiculous "airport surcharge" removed or at least reduced.

You can indeed get a Metro day saver for ferry and the Newcastle -Sunderland heavy rail section, but it wouldn't cover you on the bus.

I wouldn't look past Airlink tbh. Right on Waverley Bridge and to the door. Why you'd even consider a tram as a tourist (unless you're staying at Edinburgh Park) is beyond me

 

[TheEscapist_]

You can indeed get a Metro day saver for ferry and the Newcastle -Sunderland heavy rail section, but it wouldn't cover you on the bus.



I wouldn't look past Airlink tbh. Right on Waverley Bridge and to the door. Why you'd even consider a tram as a tourist (unless you're staying at Edinburgh Park) is beyond me

If they were going from the Airport to Murryfield, Haymarket, Shandwick Place or even the bus station? Plenty hotels at York Place too. The tram suits a lot of people.


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[92002]

on rail/tram connected UK airports (not ones with connecting buses)

Heathrow: No surcharge on Underground (it is Zone 6, which is right), something of a surcharge on Connect, really expensive on Express
Gatwick: There's a Stupid Tax on passengers that use the Express. Other trains are "normal" fares
Stansted: a surcharge of sorts if travelling from the south
Southend: No surcharge
City: No Surcharge
Birmingham: No surcharge
Manchester: No Surcharge
Newcastle: Special fare zone
Edinburgh: Special fare zone
Prestwick: No Surcharge

A recent visit to Brussels airport, with its nice new barriers to exit the station, before you join the security line to enter the building gives a surcharge of €5.20 to exit the airport station. This us known as a Diabolo supplement there and is included in the price of any ticket purchased or if some description of unpaid ticket is presented purchased before exit.

So not a dissimilar one to Edinburgh airport.

 

[Deerfold]

In Rome the Termini to Airport service is charged at a premium by classifying it as entirely 1st class. Last time I caught it I had a flip down seat outside the loo. You can avoid the premium but have to change trains at a suburban station.

 

[glbotu]

In Rome the Termini to Airport service is charged at a premium by classifying it as entirely 1st class. Last time I caught it I had a flip down seat outside the loo. You can avoid the premium but have to change trains at a suburban station.

Yeah, I've done that before, you have to change at Ostiense, which is the normal terminus of the Italo HS service (because Termini has no remaining capacity and FS didn't take kindly to the Frecciarossa having competition).

 

[sng7]

There seem to be plenty of people willing to use the tram all the way to the airport any time I've seen it, although I've only ever done it once. Perhaps locals know better but certainly visitors to the city are quite happy to use the trams from what I've seen.

One thing worth noting is that for Locals the Ridacards are valid on the tram in the airport fare zone so you can use it for no extra cost if you have one.

 

[Butts]

One thing worth noting is that for Locals the Ridacards are valid on the tram in the airport fare zone so you can use it for no extra cost if you have one.

No doubt "CD'S" get it free as part of their package

 

[mark-h]

Edinburgh Trams have only the airport fare that is under their control. Everything else (including season tickets for airport workers) is effectively controlled by Lothian, so they get 1.60 or less per journey. Someone has to pay for the trams and occasional travellers to the airport are as good as anyone.

Edinburgh Trams is part of Transport for Edinburgh (an arms length subsidury of Edinburgh Council) which owns 91% of Lothian Buses.

It is telling that the Lothian service 100 (Airlink) increased its fares to match the tram.

 

[Butts]

Edinburgh Trams is part of Transport for Edinburgh (an arms length subsidury of Edinburgh Council) which owns 91% of Lothian Buses.

It is telling that the Lothian service 100 (Airlink) increased its fares to match the tram.

Wrong......

A single from the Airport into the City on the Bus is £4.50 (Tram £5.50)

A Period Return on the Bus is £7.50 (Tram £8.50)

The Only fare the same is a Dayticket for use on both including the Airport Zone at £9

 

[reb0118]

The add on for Edinburgh Airport for those holding a valid rail ticket is £4.00 single or £7.00 return. Valid on either the tram or express service 100.

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[swt class 450]

The Edinburgh Tram fares to the Airport are absoulutely rediculous. They seem to be trying to copy the same exact rediculous scams that Heathrow Express use.

Fares to anywhere other than Edinburgh Airport.
Single - £1.60
Return - £3.20
Day Ticket - £4.00

Fares to Edinburgh Airport.
Single - £5.50
Return - £8.50
Day Ticket - £9.00

Passengers can avoid the rediculous prices by walking from Edinburgh Airport to Ingliston which is a short 20 minute walk. Of course they dont like to tell people this.

Another point about the Edinburgh Trams is that they have possibly the worst TVMs in the UK. They only accept coins and cards. They do not accept banknotes and even worse they do not even give change! What are passengers meant to do if they dont have the exact fare on them? Or if they only have banknotes on them? Edinburgh Trams are basically running scams to try to get more money out of people!

I see that they say that everyone without a ticket is charged an "on board fare" of £10. Is this is a Single or Return or Day Ticket? I guess their aim is to make it so hard to purchase a ticket before you board so that more people will buy these.

 

[asylumxl]

Another point about the Edinburgh Trams is that they have possibly the worst TVMs in the UK. They only accept coins and cards. They do not accept banknotes and even worse they do not even give change! What are passengers meant to do if they dont have the exact fare on them? Or if they only have banknotes on them? Edinburgh Trams are basically running scams to try to get more money out of people!

Lothian Buses only accept exact change, so. I'm not sure why you'd expect the tram to be any different.