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Elon Musk - the world's "greatest" spiv?

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Musk appears to be insane, and is a complete and utter weirdo with a huge ego and a severe lack of common sense.

He is socially inept and seems to get a kick out of inciting racial and religious hatred
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A 24 hour period of his posts on Twitter have been exposed as including multiple lies:

Some of that might have been said about Hitler, and look what that led to.
 
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Some of that might have been said about Hitler, and look what that led to.

Hitler's a communist didn't you know? That's what people are now saying thanks to Elon, as history is being rewritten again and again.
 

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Rumours from where? He has only really come to the attention of the UK press recently in regards to these outbursts because of his interest in Reform and Farage but he has been acting in this way for donkeys years and any serious addiction to drugs make wonder how he remains the mega success story he is.
He was all over the UK press in Summer 2018, for being exactly as moronic and offensive as he is now, using Twitter as his medium.

Some users reported Musk’s comments to Twitter, one saying he “shouldn’t be allowed to use Twitter to unleash [his] followers on people like this”.
The only difference between then and now is that he no longer deletes his Tweets and says sorry. Because he bought Twitter.

Incredibly, and this may have passed many by at the time, in the subsequent court action it was shown he is capable of far worse when he thinks he's talking to media outlets in confidence.

Musk renewed his attack by emailing a Buzzfeed reporter with false accusations....which were then published by the website. Musk claimed that the emails were off the record and that he merely intended to trigger a press investigation
 

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Musk appears to be insane, and is a complete and utter weirdo with a huge ego and a severe lack of common sense.

He is socially inept and seems to get a kick out of inciting racial and religious hatred.

A 24 hour period of his posts on Twitter have been exposed as including multiple lies:

A bigoted, narcissistic, petulant, megalomanical moron on a permanent ego trip. This stirring of the pot in our country is nothing more than a extension of this, as it feeds his ego like a Dementor feeds on souls. He's a walking contridiction on purpose, lest the lack of attention cause his ego to collapse in on itself like a dying star.
 

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Musk has boasted about his Diablo IV performance although there's always been doubts whether he did actually earn the achievements or the account was being boosted. He seems to have rather hilariously proved those doubts correct playing Path of Exile 2 with an extraordinarily high level character but when playing didn't understand some of the basics of the game.

The whole thing just seems so absolutely bizarre that he's desperate to show off 'how good' he is even though playing a game he doesn't know that well is going to be blatantly obvious. Also it seems rather stupid to me to be claiming he's working hard running several companies but also showing off a character that would take a massive time investment to reach.

The Tesla internal interface is the worst I've ever seen in a car, at least in the Model 3 and quite surprised to see praise for it plus there's been talk from some companies recently suggesting this approach has been a mistake and they're going to back off it. I have an old 2011 Mazda 6 and in the weird position that while there are some advantages to newer cars (especially having a media interface) there's also many disadvantages. The Mazda has a well designed and physical interior with all controls having a distinct design making them easy to operate without even looking, it has proper indicator/wiper stalks, physical steering wheel controls, a clear and simple dashboard, it has proper door handles and it has backup methods to get in if there's any problem with the keyless system. While Tesla seem the worst in this regard they're not in their own, VW seem to favour these stupid capacitive controls everywhere at the moment and when in a friend's high end car recently he asked if I wanted the heated seats on...he proceeded to open the climate menu on the central screen, choose the seat section, then cycle through the heat options. On my car there's a two way rocker for each seat in front of the gear stick and you just click it on and off.

I'd hoped governments would start to step in at some point given mobile phone use is banned for good reason so it doesn't make any sense to allow complex touchscreen systems just to handle basic tasks but that doesn't seem to be happening.
 

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Wednesday afternoon on Twitter, now known as X, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones wrote that the ongoing Los Angeles wildfires have been engineered by “globalists” in order to “deindustrialize” the United States.

Billionaire technology investor Elon Musk, who is living on the incoming president’s property while leading his commission on reorganizing the government and advising him on other matters, saw this post—and he liked what he saw.

This is interesting—concerning, even—for a number of reasons. But it may be significant at the moment given that Jones has, in the past, explained that “Jewish mafia” figures like George Soros are a key part of the “globalist” alliance. (If you’re wondering why the Jewish mafia would burn down Hollywood, which it runs, a different post of Jones’ sort of explains: It’s because globalists want to turn the Pacific Palisades neighborhood that has been devastated by fire into a “smart city.” In urban planning, the phrase “smart city” refers to the idea of using technology to gather information about traffic and wastewater and stuff, but in Jones’ mind, smart city initiatives are a kind of Trojan horse for implementing totalitarian surveillance and mind control, similar to how Bill Gates put microchips in the COVID vaccine.)

The accusation also echoes Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s infamous claim that a previous wildfire was started by the (Jewish) Rothschild family using satellite-borne lasers.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/new...ging-los-angeles/vi-BB1rcctD?ocid=socialshare

(Above link is a YouTube video supporting the above article.)

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Instead of mourning the devastating destruction and death that's befallen the city of Los Angeles due to raging wildfires this week, Elon Musk has taken to his far-right hate speech incubator X to blame the fires on — wait for it — diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs.

In other words, Musk is using unabashedly racist lies to pin the climate change-fueled disaster on minorities.

"They prioritized DEI over saving lives and homes," Musk tweeted. He was responding to a post by the anti-LGBTQ+ hate account Libs of TikTok, which claimed that the LA Fire Department ensured its employees were "racially diverse enough" — something that was then contorted into racist vitriol in Musk's twisted mind.
 

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If you want to de-industralise a country maybe making a need to do a load of building work is not the way to go around it. You need industry to rebuild!
 

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VW seem to favour these stupid capacitive controls everywhere at the moment and when in a friend's high end car recently he asked if I wanted the heated seats on...he proceeded to open the climate menu on the central screen, choose the seat section, then cycle through the heat options.
After a succession of new Golfs, my next will be a second hand ‘pre-laptop’ Golf with hard controls that I don’t need to look for.
 

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After a succession of new Golfs, my next will be a second hand ‘pre-laptop’ Golf with hard controls that I don’t need to look for.

My partner has a 2022 Golf and all the controls are via a touchscreen. I have a 2022 T-ROC which is built on the Golf platform, but it has proper controls for heating and ventilation. No idea why they aren’t standardised but given that would probably mean the touchscreen option I’m glad they haven’t
 

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My partner has a 2022 Golf and all the controls are via a touchscreen. I have a 2022 T-ROC which is built on the Golf platform, but it has proper controls for heating and ventilation. No idea why they aren’t standardised but given that would probably mean the touchscreen option I’m glad they haven’t

I think within the next few years, we'll see a move back to more physical buttons. It's already happening from some car makers, and I think Volvo will revise the EX30 with a driver display and actual buttons for Euro NCAP rating purposes.

I have to admit that when I first saw cars with giant screens, I thought it was quite futuristic and made a car more premium. Little did I know that it was as much about cost cutting as anything else - and now I think the awe people had for a Tesla (to get back on topic re. Elon) has been lost and those companies that tried to emulate Tesla's design are backtracking.
 

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Does Musk even run the companies he's CEO of? The amount of time he appears to be mouthing off on his platform all day everyday can't provide much time for doing anything else, besides showing up at publicity events.
 

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Does Musk even run the companies he's CEO of? The amount of time he appears to be mouthing off on his platform all day everyday can't provide much time for doing anything else, besides showing up at publicity events.
I'm sure Musk would claim he does but it certainly doesn't appear so. Tesla and SpaceX investors have complained about his focus on Twitter since the takeover and the cost of SpaceX/Tesla and more recently he's clearly spending his time on playing politics. What's particularly ridiculous is he's still fighting for the insane Tesla pay deal which he claims he needs to keep 'focused' on Tesla despite the fact he's barely spending any time on the company at the moment. I still don't know how they got away with that presentation last year when they couldn't show anything meaningful at all despite that supposedly being the big reveal.
 

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Hasn't he threatened to 'destroy' Tesla if he doesn't get the insane pay deal?
 

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To put things into perspective, Musk has created 2 companies worth over US100BN. The youngest such British companies date from the reign of Queen Victoria (BP, Glaxo). He may be ignorant politically, but he is outstanding at starting new businesses. If his trains in a vacuum tunnel company takes off, there are many who might forgive him.
 

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To put things into perspective, Musk has created 2 companies worth over US100BN
He is leading them, I guess, but his leadership has been erratic with the most successful parts of the business being the ones he isn't involved in (the Shanghai factory for model 3s is notably better than the USA factory).
If his trains in a vacuum tunnel company takes off, there are many who might forgive him.
It isn't his company. He released the idea and let anyone work on it. He has no interest in putting the money up and developing the idea but benefits from it distracting people from high-speed rail, so they continue to buy Teslas while trying to get hyperloop to work.
 

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To put things into perspective, Musk has created 2 companies worth over US100BN. The youngest such British companies date from the reign of Queen Victoria (BP, Glaxo). He may be ignorant politically, but he is outstanding at starting new businesses. If his trains in a vacuum tunnel company takes off, there are many who might forgive him.
As much as he like to claim as such he's an investor not a creator (in particular, he did not start Tesla) hence his recent attacks on wikipedia which correctly reflect the actual correct information and not the Musk version. Furthermore I'm not sure starting off very rich and then lying prolifically to generate massively inflated value is anything worth giving credit for, quite the opposite in fact.
 

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As much as he like to claim as such he's an investor not a creator (in particular, he did not start Tesla) hence his recent attacks on wikipedia which correctly reflect the actual correct information and not the Musk version. Furthermore I'm not sure starting off very rich and then lying prolifically to generate massively inflated value is anything worth giving credit for, quite the opposite in fact.
Plenty of people who put money and fame above all else will be quite happy to do whatever it takes to get there.

While obviously not true in all cases as there are genuinely nice and honest people out there, a lot of successful people will have stepped on a few toes to get to where they are. And people in business will say that's the cost of doing business and see nothing wrong with it.

Best of all, if you're a petty thief scamming people here and there then you'll likely be jailed and lose everything, with nobody wanting to know you. Do it on a large enough scale and everyone wants to know you and you're unlikely to go to jail - or at least not for long.

Again there are exceptions but Elon is but one of many examples of people who are flying high. Maybe he'll get knocked down, but there's no sign of that yet (although there are some in the USA keen to bring him down a notch).
 

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A load of gamers have just realised Musk boosts his own gaming profiles, likely by getting pro players to use his account to rack up wins while he is offline. Pathetic, sad little man, so desperate for attention, from such mediocre people. Musk is a stupid person's idea of a clever person.
 

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He didn't start PayPal, SpaceX or any of the other businesses he claims either.

SpaceX is the one exception, considering it remains a private company to this day.

The original team was composed of Musk as the CEO and main investor, Jim Cantrell, John Garvey, Tom Mueller (CTO), Chris Thompson (VP of Operations), and Gwynne Shotwell (COO).
SpaceX has a PR team whose main task is to keep Musk distracted and away from core engineering.

Tesla used to have a similarly dedicated PR team but has allegedly disbanded or lost control of Elon Musk. One such result of that loss of control was the creation of the Cybertruck as we know it today.

Tesla supposedly had a plan for America with a pickup truck, and a plan for Europe with a cheaper, smaller B-segment car. Have they kept going with their original "masterplan" Tesla would probably be on par with China in terms of EV market penetration.
The Renault Group ended up making the B (Renault 5) and A-segment (Dacia Spring) cars that neither Tesla, VW or Stellantis could afford to make.
 

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It isn't his company. He released the idea and let anyone work on it. He has no interest in putting the money up and developing the idea but benefits from it distracting people from high-speed rail, so they continue to buy Teslas while trying to get hyperloop to work.
Hyperloop will never work. It's complete and utter ballcocks. Boring company's 'Loop' in Las Vegas is just some ordinary Teslas being driven slowly, manually in a decoratively lit tube-sized tunnel.
 

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Hyperloop will never work. It's complete and utter ballcocks. Boring company's 'Loop' in Las Vegas is just some ordinary Teslas being driven slowly, manually in a decoratively lit tube-sized tunnel.

But Elon succeeded in scuppering high speed rail contracts because he could lobby politicians and convince them Hyperloop was better. Not that he was every closely involved in any of the development, which was initially little more than a competition for universities to work on.
 

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On a similar subject to Hyperloop, despite the fact Elon has failed to deliver a proper system, some people still believe he's somehow the best hope of a Transatlantic Tunnel from London to New York which was part of a fad of articles talking about it as if it was a possibility for the near future. Typical example of a billionaire tech-bro being hailed as a pioneer of an industry he knows nothing about. Still, it beats him dabbling in British politics.
 

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On a similar subject to Hyperloop, despite the fact Elon has failed to deliver a proper system, some people still believe he's somehow the best hope of a Transatlantic Tunnel from London to New York which was part of a fad of articles talking about it as if it was a possibility for the near future. Typical example of a billionaire tech-bro being hailed as a pioneer of an industry he knows nothing about. Still, it beats him dabbling in British politics.

He's stirring even now with comments about Keir Starmer not being invited to Trump's inauguration - even though world leaders generally don't attend such events.

It helps fuel the belief that Labour has messed up our relationship with the USA, although I don't think we've ever had a relationship that benefits us. At least not since the aid and financial help during WWII.
 

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It helps fuel the belief that Labour has messed up our relationship with the USA, although I don't think we've ever had a relationship that benefits us. At least not since the aid and financial help during WWII.
Though Labour is not helping here, by appointing Mandelson as the next US ambassador (supposedly in the belief that he can work with the Trump govt) and breaking the precedent that the UK diplomatic service doesn't engage in the practice of giving plumb positions out as political favours. The current ambassador is a time served career diplomat.
 

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He's stirring even now with comments about Keir Starmer not being invited to Trump's inauguration - even though world leaders generally don't attend such events.

It helps fuel the belief that Labour has messed up our relationship with the USA, although I don't think we've ever had a relationship that benefits us. At least not since the aid and financial help during WWII.

I believe that no British PM has ever attended the inauguration of an US President and it is possible that no other heads of state or government have; if they ever have it was very unusual. Trump has broken with tradition and invited a number of leaders of just the type that one would expect (Xi Jinping, Meloni, Milei), although he has included Zelensky. (Our relationship with the US is to be thankful for being allowed to take the bullets…sometimes literally.)

And, yes, it is disinformation by Musk about a fairly normal event. If anything involving Musk or Trump can ever be normal.

[But this is off subject, beyond giving examples of who Musk is mixing with, and might be better in a separate thread.]
 

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It helps fuel the belief that Labour has messed up our relationship with the USA, although I don't think we've ever had a relationship that benefits us. At least not since the aid and financial help during WWII.
Financial help which had to be repaid
 

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He's stirring even now with comments about Keir Starmer not being invited to Trump's inauguration - even though world leaders generally don't attend such events.
I don't know why but for some reason Musk annoys me more than Trump and Farage. They could all say the exact same thing and I'd still get more wound up with him saying it. As many have pointed out, he is an actual Bond villain but without any of the charm and charisma, and not even his archenemy like Ernst Stavro Blofeld (that's Bezos, the bald white man with a lazy eye running a big powerful and influential organisation), but more like Hugo Drax and his rather disturbing obsession with colonising space, but only for the people he deems fit.

It helps fuel the belief that Labour has messed up our relationship with the USA, although I don't think we've ever had a relationship that benefits us. At least not since the aid and financial help during WWII.
I've never even heard of a belief that Labour messed up our relations with the US. If anything I think Starmer has been reasonably diplomatic. All things considered I am quite content to be allies with the United States even despite some of our differences.
 

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