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Elon Musk - the world's "greatest" spiv?

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In the last day Musk has been taking aim at UK matters again, demanding Tommy Robinson be freed from prison and attacking the grooming gang scandal. It can't be a coincidence that he's done this now in the wake of two damaging news' stories regarding Tesla, first the Cybertruck explosion*, and second news that Tesla sales stalled last year, breaking a run of several years of growth, he's clearly looking for distractions:


Tesla sales fell last year for the first time in more than a decade, as demand faltered and rivals gained pace.
The company, led by billionaire Elon Musk, delivered almost 1.79 million cars last year, down about 1% from 1.8 million in 2023.
This comes despite the company lowering prices repeatedly last year in a bid to woo buyers and hold on to its rank as the world's top-selling maker of electric vehicles (EVs).
China's BYD, however, looks set to close the gap after reporting 1.76 million EV sales in 2024.
The Shenzhen-based firm's total vehicle sales jumped more than 41% in 2024, year-on-year, to more than 4.2 million.
The surge was powered mainly by sales of its hybrid cars.
BYD sells 90% of its cars in China, where it has been extending its lead over foreign brands including Volkswagen and Toyota.
It has benefited from a rise in car sales in its home market, as intense competition drove down prices and government subsidies encouraged consumers to replace their old cars with EVs or other more fuel efficient options.
Tesla also counts China as a key market, but it has lost ground to rivals as the price war rumbles on.
Demand for electric vehicles has also softened in other regions, such as the US and Europe, creating challenges for many carmakers.
Volkswagen, Ford and General Motors were among the companies that cut sales targets or decided to delay investments in EV technology last year.
At Tesla, its boss Elon Musk has blamed weaker sales in part on the jump in borrowing costs since 2022, which has made it more expensive to buy.
Analysts have also pointed to increased competition and questions about the brand, as Musk deepens his political involvement, which has been described as controversial.
Tesla sales slumped in the first half of 2024 before starting to pick up again. In the final three months of 2024, it delivered about 495,000 cars, up 2% year-on-year and a quarterly record.
But the firm's share price, which surged more than 60% last year, fell 5% in morning trade, as the figure came in below the roughly 500,000 forecast by analysts.
"If you don't meet expectations, it can be pretty tough out there," said Christopher Carey of the Carnegie Investment Council.
Last month, Honda and Nissan confirmed that they were holding merger talks, as the two Japanese firms seek to fight back against competition from the Chinese car industry.
Earlier in the month, the boss of car making giant Stellantis, Carlos Tavares, quit with immediate effect following a boardroom clash.
His abrupt exit from the company - which owns brands including Vauxhall, Jeep, Fiat, Peugeot and Chrysler - came two months after Stellantis issued a profit warning.
Some governments have stepped in to protect domestic companies.
In October, European Union tariffs of up to 45.3% on imports of Chinese-made EVs came into force across the trade bloc.
The US has also imposed a 100% duty on EVs from China and President-elect Donald Trump is expected to impose further tariffs on imports.
BYD has still been expanding its foothold in emerging economies.
But last month, it faced a setback in Brazil - its largest overseas market - with authorities halting the construction of a BYD factory, saying workers lived in conditions comparable to "slavery".
BYD said it had cut ties with the construction firm involved and remained committed to a "full compliance with Brazilian legislation".

*Even though it's looking clear the explosion was nothing to do with the vehicle design/behaviour, it's still a bad look for the company seeing one's product involved in an incident like that. Also people can make up their minds almost immediately on any given story, and even when the truth is presented to them after that paints a different picture, many won't be convinced otherwise.
 
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Elon's base likely think it's cool the car has been blown up and Elon's response is much like that of a content creator who decided to blow one up for clicks.

I'm surprised nobody did that given enough people did content around shooting at it.

The supposed two million sales (based on deposits) obviously never happened and once the creators and nut jobs bought theirs, it was clear that this was it. Less than 100,000 sold and now dead in the water.

Many deposits were paid by people who wanted to post on social media that they'd ordered one. They never had the money to buy it.

It's a thing that people spec up Apple products and post the total price online and let others think they just bought one. Social media is a funny old place.

I wonder if Elon ever believed he'd sell two million? And given the rate of production, it's clear be couldn't have ever had a chance in hell of fulfilling the orders anyway.
 

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One of my neighbours, a retired lady head teacher, thinks that "Elon Musk" sounds just like some of the perfume names that have been regularly featured on TV for the last few months.

I think Trump sees him as a bad smell lingering around Mar-a-Lago.
 

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In the last day Musk has been taking aim at UK matters again, demanding Tommy Robinson be freed from prison and attacking the grooming gang scandal. It can't be a coincidence that he's done this now in the wake of two damaging news' stories regarding Tesla, first the Cybertruck explosion*, and second news that Tesla sales stalled last year, breaking a run of several years of growth, he's clearly looking for distractions:
Reform has declined to comment on Musk's inflammatory rhetoric and Starmer has just completely ignored him. Wise decision from both, in my opinion. You can wrestle with a pig, but you'll get muddy and the pig will just enjoy it. Badenoch had to wade in of course.

Also comes at a time when Musk apparently had a complete breakdown on 4chan after both being exposed as Adrian Dittmann and finding out a bunch of terminally online racists don't actually like him very much.

The supposed two million sales (based on deposits) obviously never happened and once the creators and nut jobs bought theirs, it was clear that this was it. Less than 100,000 sold and now dead in the water.
It really is Homer's car. Could have simply created a Tesla-based pickup, but instead he had to rock up with a poorly-rendered computer model from 1989.

No wonder people are more interested in the Ford F-150 Lightning or some of the designs coming from China, like Changan Nevo's E07.
 

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Reform has declined to comment on Musk's inflammatory rhetoric and Starmer has just completely ignored him. Wise decision from both, in my opinion. You can wrestle with a pig, but you'll get muddy and the pig will just enjoy it. Badenoch had to wade in of course.
Musk is a narcissist (as Trump is). If you ignore him, it hurts him.
 

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Musk’s “Adrian Dittman” alter ego was streaming with Connor Eats Pants, some big video game streamer. It’s so obviously him and the streamer absolutely ripped into him. And he stayed. Very funny and pathetic to see.
 

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In what capacity does Musk think he currently holds in which he feels he has the right to demand such a matter?
Answer: God knows how many billions and a vast ego. He is a menace. He apparently thinks he can intervene in both American and British politics, and he has the financial means to do so. His recently-expressed views about Robinson and Farage indicate the way he would behave if he actually gains influence.
 

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Answer: God knows how many billions and a vast ego. He is a menace. He apparently thinks he can intervene in both American and British politics, and he has the financial means to do so. His recently-expressed views about Robinson and Farage indicate the way he would behave if he actually gains influence.
He's been interfering in German politics as well...
 

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And Brazil, Argentina and probably lots more. Always with a similar right-wing theme along the lines of the great replacement theory.

This supposed genius is now Tweeting/Xing a hundred times a day. He seems to have little to no time to do anything at Tesla or SpaceX, besides turn up for a stupid publicity stunt to try and con investors that he's on the brink of doing something magical.
 

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At least Brazil refused to play ball. Musk refused to adhere to an order from their supreme court, so they just blocked Twitter and froze assets until he decided to comply. That got his attention.
 

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He's been interfering in German politics as well...
Given a platform in Welt am Sonntag.

The CEO of Axel Springer- which owns Die Welt and Bild- is an interesting sort.

Mathias Dopfner is rabidly anti-Islamic and sits on the board of the Koch Foundation. Dopfner's son is a senior staff member working for Peter Thiel.

You can see why Mr Dopfner would be so keen to give Musk a platform to profess his love for AfD.
 

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I imagine Mr Musk is just consumed in his dreamy self obsession with ruling the Universe as Flash Gordon - Ming (Vlad) the Merciless has other plans for him however........
 

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I found Musk’s tweet quite hilarious. So in spite of all the arse licking and praise that Farage has lavished on Musk, Farage’s hero and idol has not repaid the complement.

It's now hard to work out what's going on with Elon. I mean, we can see what he's doing and saying every day - but there's a lot to unpack and figure out as to what his motives are.

He must know by now how bad Tommy Multinames is, yet he's still demanding his release and now he's calling for the Government to be shut down and an election called urgently - with his fans saying that's freedom of speech (what, to demand an election just like that? Funny how that doesn't happen in the USA).

He stitched up Nigel, but Richard Tice is onboard supporting Elon as if he's hoping he will be the one to take charge and receive the £100m. He says what Elon has said about various Labour politicians being rape apologists, or even hinting that they're maybe paedos (his go to insult, which has his fans suggesting the police should be searching the hard drives of Labour MPs), and likely committing Libel - but he doesn't care as he thinks he's immune.

And politicians need to tread carefully as you don't want to conduct your business on a social media platform. Thankfully, the PM didn't do this and made statements the old fashioned way, as well as talking about the darts!

Now Elon is trying to get the Tories muddled up in this mess, hoping Kemi will get involved - but Elon's fanbase isn't likely a fan of her either, so it's all quite the mess.

What's Elon's end game? He knows there won't be an election (doesn't he?!) but he can destabilise politics, even though I'd actually hope at some point the right wing nutters being thrown under a bus for Elon's amusement actually realise they might need to work together and direct their attention to Elon, not start trying to join in and find out they're being used.

Is this under instruction from Putin? Elon has strong links, and this is the sort of thing that is part of a bigger picture than Elon just being a deranged Ketamine influenced idiot having fun online.

Or, is it that he wants action taken against X so he can blame the problems X is suffering on Government interference and not the way he's single handedly destroyed a platform lots of people enjoyed, and many businesses used for their customer service and marketing.
 

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He stitched up Nigel, but Richard Tice is onboard supporting Elon as if he's hoping he will be the one to take charge and receive the £100m.
I wouldn't be surprised if they took the donation and liquidated Reform. The current ownership is ~60% Farage, ~33% Tice and ~7% Party Treasurer Mehrtash A'Zami. Farage has hopped from UKIP before...
 

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Elon, who has been rambling and ranting about “Grooming Gangs”, had no problem being seen out and about with Ghislaine Maxwell, pal of the now deceased Jeffrey Epstein.

Musk Junior’s attacks on the UK Government are yet another example of how this supposed genius trusts far-right disinformation, and what looks like a combination of ego, paranoia and ignorance builds on that misplaced trust to show that The Great Man not only does not know what he’s talking about, but also believes that all those bots and trolls backing him are real people.

Reform UK is a one-man band. And that one man is Farage. None of the other Reform UK MPs would have a snowball in hell’s chance of matching the electoral performance achieved by Mr Thirsty, either as head of UKIP in days past, or the Brexit Party in the last European Parliament elections in which the UK participated, or at the last General Election with Reform UK.

On Reform UK, Musk more or less endorsed Rupert Lowe: “I have not met Rupert Lowe, but his statements online that I have read so far make a lot of sense”. That’s Reform UK stuffed, then.

He then quotes Ian Miles Cheong, who is so close to the action in the UK, as he lives in … Malaysia. And, just to be on the safe side, congenital liar, Norwegian National Service Dodger and peddler of far-right disinformation Peter Imanuelsen, who claimed for some time to be in Sweden, and calls himself Peter Sweden, but in fact lives in the Not Really Swedish At All town of Northallerton. In the UK.

And now he’s back to defaming politicians. “Gordon Brown sold those little girls for votes” … “British legal system is not serving its people” [there is no “British legal system”, as Scotland has its own] … “Starmer was deeply complicit in the mass rapes in exchange for votes”. And then came the pièce de résistance, which confirms Musk as totally barking.

Once more quoting Visegrád24 on calls for a new inquiry, he declares “What an insane thing to say! The real reason is that it would show how Starmer repeatedly ignored the pleas of vast numbers of little girls and their parents, in order to secure political support. Starmer is utterly despicable”. But all those bots and trolls back him, so that’s all right then. Except it isn’t.

Elon Musk may be rich. But, sad to say, he can’t recognise reality. End of.
 

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Between the aftermath of Brexit, Russian media constantly threatening to nuke the British Isle, and Musk now interfering with British politics, we are surely living through fun times.
 

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The more that you hear from Musk the more you start to think that he's been radicalised by his own social media platform.

I long to turn the clock back 25 years to when the scariest thing with technology was the millennium bug.
 

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The more that you hear from Musk the more you start to think that he's been radicalised by his own social media platform.

I long to turn the clock back 25 years to when the scariest thing with technology was the millennium bug.
Who knew that fixing that would cause so much damage to society
 

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