I expect the same could be said regarding the pre covid timetable on the Robin Hood Line being reintroduced in December.
Targeted services coming back in December, I suspect a handful of peak time trains and maybe first and last but have no firm intel.
They have 170530/1/2/4 from West Mids Railway, still with the green seats.
Currently on 1 of the 4 from TfW is currently with EMR, 170273. The other 2 car 170s are all former WMR units, and the 3 car 170s are ex Scotrail.
The two cars are thus:
BigD that's my understanding of the mess too
533 and 535 are still with WMR as far as I’m aware - the others are with EMR.
Agree on 533 I last viewed it at Wolverhampton on 15/07
Indeed 534 has moved over, currently on the 1438 Grimsby to Leicester.
There aren't really enough trains to run them around in multi regularly, but it does happen. There's a 5 car set on a Skegness diagram today due to overcrowding on other 2 car services - 2 Worksop round trips cancelled to provide the 3 car set.
Will the 171s be in straight away for conversion back to 3 car 170s, or will they enter service as soon as they’re transferred?
They need their conversion work doing, they're not much good with Dellner couplers!
There’s also the matter that the seating density of a 222 does not match that of a 158 nor 170. I can’t remember the specifics but you need to use more carriages to form the equivalent capacity for a service.
Been discussed to death. 222`s cannot use higher speeds east of Peterborough which would see very low speeds applied and time lost. Others will know what speeds would apply
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Despite their length the capacity is too low to realistically run the service.
I think the issue on Liverpool - Nottingham / Norwich is the need for corridor access between sets.
Was never an issue back in the Central Trains days - not to mention 5 carriages (i.e. a 158 and a 3 car 170) are better than 4.
Could always send the 3 car to Norwich rather than 2 car once the 5 car splits at Notts.
It’d require hybrid 158s to be made then, I assume.
That had been discussed somewhere but there are so many threads discussing Liverpool/Norwich it's hard to say where!
Fair enough. As there’s no further information on it, probably best not to speculate then. I just assumed from the publication as other than using Northern’s 158(75x) fleet there’s no other way to utilise three carriage 158s.
