EMR Class 360's

[RailWonderer]

Thats because Pre Covid they were destined for the scrapyard.

Slightly OT but what would have replaced them? There were no orders placed by SE as far as I can recall.

 

[43066]

Slightly OT but what would have replaced them? There were no orders placed by SE as far as I can recall.

It was thought likely (due to relatively low interest rates/leasing costs) that a large order of Aventras would be placed to achieve a wholesale fleet replacement once the SE franchise was awarded on a longer term basis. We’re in a different world now of course! No bad thing, the networkers are perfectly adequate for purpose and have life left in them.

However I’m conscious we’re now drifting off the topic of EMR 360s!

 

[Doomotron]

The SE 375s are in decent nick, it's the Networkers and 376s which are looking "tired"

The 375s are the least worst alongside the 395s. Both fleets are dirty inside and out and the 375s often feel like they're falling apart, with moquette badly fitted to the seats and broken armrests and seat-back tables.

 

[Mikey C]

It was thought likely (due to relatively low interest rates/leasing costs) that a large order of Aventras would be placed to achieve a wholesale fleet replacement once the SE franchise was awarded on a longer term basis. We’re in a different world now of course! No bad thing, the networkers are perfectly adequate for purpose and have life left in them.

However I’m conscious we’re now drifting off the topic of EMR 360s!

If SE had ordered something similar to SWR's 701s, as next in the Aventra queue, then God knows when they would be delivered and in service

 

[43102EMR]

Now that the repaint programme is drawing to a close, is there any word on the interior refurbishment of the 360s? Or has the contract still yet to be tendered?

 

[Bald Rick]

Is that the end of the blue ones now then?

it can’t be, because I saw a blue one today in service.

 

[43102EMR]

it can’t be, because I saw a blue one today in service.

110’s the last blue one that still needs to be done.

 

[theblackwatch]

it can’t be, because I saw a blue one today in service.

It would appear the moves planned for the 16th didn't run.

 

[43066]

It would appear the moves planned for the 16th didn't run.

Most likely to maximise the numbers available with this weekend’s predicted traffic levels. Not that they’ve been lived up to (so far).

 

[43102EMR]

Most likely to maximise the numbers available with this weekend’s predicted traffic levels. Not that they’ve been lived up to (so far).

From what I’ve seen, most (if not all) connect services have been 8 cars this weekend, although I can imagine the odd 4 car has managed to sneak its way out on the MML.

 

[Snow1964]

Now that the repaint programme is drawing to a close, is there any word on the interior refurbishment of the 360s? Or has the contract still yet to be tendered?

I too was wondering about the insides.
The 360s are roughly 20 years old, so correct timing for mid life refurbishment.

But will it be more of a token refresh than trying to match the corporate look of an 810 with similar style decor and seats (similar, not exactly same). The 360s will be doing good part of 100 mile journeys and there is a fair chance they could end up working semi-fast trains to East Midlands sometime within next 20 years.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 20/09 5Q98 1422 Eastleigh Works - Northampton Emd 47749 360106
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03801/2022-09-20/detailed

 

[Ilovetrains43]

Just as a quick update:

Trains currently repainted into East Midlands Railway 'Connect' livery as of 20th September 2022:
360 101, 360 102, 360 103, 360 104, 360 105, 360 106, 360 107, 360 108, 360 109, 360 110, 360 111, 360 113, 360 114, 360 115, 360 116, 360 117, 360 118, 360 119, 360 120 and 360 121.

Train 360 112 is currently in the vinyled version and is to be repainted properly after 360 110 has been repainted at Eastleigh. Please note, I emitted 360 112 as a result of this.

 

[43102EMR]

Just as a quick update:

Trains currently repainted into East Midlands Railway 'Connect' livery as of 20th September 2022:
360 101, 360 102, 360 103, 360 104, 360 105, 360 106, 360 107, 360 108, 360 109, 360 110, 360 111, 360 113, 360 114, 360 115, 360 116, 360 117, 360 118, 360 119, 360 120 and 360 121.

Train 360 112 is currently in the vinyled version and is to be repainted properly after 360 110 has been repainted at Eastleigh. Please note, I emitted 360 112 as a result of this.

110’s not been sent down yet AFAIK? Was in service this weekend… unless it got sent today.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 23/09 5Q98 0755 Kettering Stabling Sidings - Eastleigh Works
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03802/2022-09-23/detailed

 

[Bald Rick]

Please note, I emitted 360 112 as a result of this.

That sounds distressingly painful.

 

[LowLevel]

That sounds distressingly painful.

It was plain sailing once he passed the pantograph

 

[43066]

That sounds distressingly painful.

Try driving the thing…

 

[Maddog83]

110 is sitting on 3 Road at KDS. It goes to Eastleigh on Friday. Drivers side headlight and marker currently covered over with white bag as they have fell out of mount and there is a wee bit of a draft in the cab

 

[Roger B]

110 is sitting on 3 Road at KDS. It goes to Eastleigh on Friday. Drivers side headlight and marker currently covered over with white bag as they have fell out of mount and there is a wee bit of a draft in the cab

KDS?

 

[43066]

KDS?

Kettering Depot Sidings.

 

[Ilovetrains43]

any idea when 360 112 will be done properly

 

[59CosG95]

any idea when 360 112 will be done properly

Probably once 360 110 returns.

 

[43096]

Probably once 360 110 returns.

More likely it will go to Eastleigh once 360119 returns.

 

[Chorley Cake]

Where are they stabled at weekends when not in use ? Are they all at Kettering ? Cricklewood ? Bedford ?

 

[3973EXL]

0F97 0629 Leicester - Kettering 47727

5Q98 0755 Kettering - Eastleigh dep 0921 47727 360110

 

[Hairy Bear]

Where are they stabled at weekends when not in use ? Are they all at Kettering ? Cricklewood ? Bedford ?

When not required, kett and Crinklewood , but that's rare.
All 3 when awaiting maintenance.

 

[STINT47]

Reading the latest issue of Modern Railways it quotes EMRs fleet director on the 360 refurbishment...

"We've had to fix the scope to the right cost - we're operating in a totally different environment compared to when the project was conceived"

It goes on to say that they would love to see a full refurbishment but it's likely to be a bit less and goes on say examples of the but less may be no new seats and retaining the 3 + 2.

Not very impressive in my view. I can accept costs may only pay for new seat covers and carpets etc except other fleets like the Pemdolino's are getting the full refurbishment.

 

[43066]

It goes on to say that they would love to see a full refurbishment but it's likely to be a bit less and goes on say examples of the but less may be no new seats and retaining the 3 + 2.

The current seats are actually some of the better ones out there, albeit 3+2 clearly isn’t ideal.

 

[43102EMR]

Reading the latest issue of Modern Railways it quotes EMRs fleet director on the 360 refurbishment...

"We've had to fix the scope to the right cost - we're operating in a totally different environment compared to when the project was conceived"

It goes on to say that they would love to see a full refurbishment but it's likely to be a bit less and goes on say examples of the but less may be no new seats and retaining the 3 + 2.

Not very impressive in my view. I can accept costs may only pay for new seat covers and carpets etc except other fleets like the Pemdolino's are getting the full refurbishment.

Indeed - it’s an absolute joke. EMR had 3 years to get their ducks in a row regarding this refurbishment, and once again the East suffers whilst the West thrives… hard to believe these are what replaced the 222s!