Off-track staff, staff who are responsible for maintenance on the lineside - fences, vegetation and such.
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EMR derailed train in Thetford area (06/02)
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dk1
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Minimum 8hrs pway work but track damage under train cannot be properly assessed until the train is moved.
It was very windy all day yesterday.
The rain came in at about dusk and was very heavy.
A football match in Cambridge kicked off at 1945 and was abandoned after 10 minutes because the pitch had become waterlogged.
I said when it was all kicking off over the safety of the Class 43 when it recently struck a tree at Broughty Ferry that the I considered the bigger risk was of derailment….. lo and behold!
Lineside vegetation management needs urgently addressing before there’s a fatal incident.
Lineside vegetation management needs urgently addressing before there’s a fatal incident.
High Dyke
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Latest update from National Rail. Disruption expected until the end of the day.
Screenshot from National Rail Enquiries.
Screenshot from National Rail Enquiries.
Can we please keep discussion in this thread to the actual incident in question. I've split off some posts that were discussing the issue of control logs in the public domain to this thread:
Should "internal" Rail Industry logs be in the public domain?
Moderator note - split from: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/emr-derailed-train-in-thetford-area-06-02.262378/ As someone not employed in the rail industry , im curious why shouldnt the incidents logs like the one posted be open data? NR dont have competitors and are ultimately a...
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Thing is large trees may not be (in fact almost certainly aren't) on Network Rail property.
Knowing the area, I suspect this incident has occured somewhere near the site of Roudham Junction, where the railway runs through a wooded area. Further north is just breckland heath with the odd tree here and there.
Clearing every last tree that might fall on the railway would be expensive and possibly not achievable. I wonder if there might be some sort of technology mitigation, such as regular satellite surgery with the images processed by AI to detect potential obstructions.
Or do we already say the risk is ALARP and accept that very occasionally there will be an incident such as this.
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The daylight photographs in the BBC article would appear to suggest that the incident took place near to the overbridge to Grange Farm, Roudham.
One person has been left with minor injuries after a passenger train struck a large tree on the track and derailed.
The East Midlands service partly came off the rails between Thetford and Harling Road in Norfolk on Tuesday evening, on its way to Norwich.
An engineer at the scene told the BBC that everyone on board had a "very, very lucky escape".
National Rail said disruption was expected until the end of Wednesday, with travellers unable to use the line.
Thirty one passengers were on the service, which started in Liverpool on Tuesday afternoon.
Police, ambulance and fire crews were called to the scene in south-west Norfolk at about 21:15 GMT.
Network Rail said onward travel was arranged following the crash, with passengers arriving in Norwich by 01:00 on Wednesday.
It said the injured passenger was assessed with a minor hip injury and was able to "safely" board the recovery train.
Trains on the line pass through Thetford Forest, with many trees lining the sides of the tracks
In a statement, East Midlands Railway said the 15:51 service from Liverpool Lime Street "struck a tree on the track near Thetford station causing the leading carriage to partly derail".
It said the carriage remained upright, with all customers and staff "safely evacuated from the train".
"There is damage to the track which will be fully evaluated once the train is moved," the company added.
"At this stage we do not expect that any services will be able to operate between Ely and Norwich on Wednesday while repairs are carried out."
Engineers have worked through the night on the damaged train
Engineers examining the scene on Wednesday morning said the wheels were badly damaged in the crash, which meant the train would be difficult to move.
Several staff looked at the front of the train and shook their heads in disbelief. One said everyone onboard had a "very, very lucky escape".
The line is due to remain closed throughout Wednesday
An East of England Ambulance Service spokesperson said two ambulances, four ambulance officer vehicles, the Hazardous Area Response Team and a response car from the East Anglian Air Ambulance were sent to the scene.
"One passenger from the train was assessed for minor injuries and did not require transportation to hospital," they said.
Engineers on Wednesday were chopping trees close to where the train was damaged
Rail Accident Investigation Branch inspectors have been sent to the site to gather evidence.
They will carry out a preliminary examination before deciding whether an investigation should be launched.
A spokesperson for operator Greater Anglia, which also uses the line, said: "A train operated by another train company has derailed between Thetford and Harling Road - all lines are blocked.
"At present, we have no estimate of when the line will reopen - do not travel between Norwich and Ely as train services running through these stations have been cancelled or revised."
Train hits tree and derails near Thetford leaving one person hurt
An engineer at the scene says everyone on board had a "very, very lucky escape".
www.bbc.co.uk
One person has been left with minor injuries after a passenger train struck a large tree on the track and derailed.
The East Midlands service partly came off the rails between Thetford and Harling Road in Norfolk on Tuesday evening, on its way to Norwich.
An engineer at the scene told the BBC that everyone on board had a "very, very lucky escape".
National Rail said disruption was expected until the end of Wednesday, with travellers unable to use the line.
Thirty one passengers were on the service, which started in Liverpool on Tuesday afternoon.
Police, ambulance and fire crews were called to the scene in south-west Norfolk at about 21:15 GMT.
Network Rail said onward travel was arranged following the crash, with passengers arriving in Norwich by 01:00 on Wednesday.
It said the injured passenger was assessed with a minor hip injury and was able to "safely" board the recovery train.
Trains on the line pass through Thetford Forest, with many trees lining the sides of the tracks
In a statement, East Midlands Railway said the 15:51 service from Liverpool Lime Street "struck a tree on the track near Thetford station causing the leading carriage to partly derail".
It said the carriage remained upright, with all customers and staff "safely evacuated from the train".
"There is damage to the track which will be fully evaluated once the train is moved," the company added.
"At this stage we do not expect that any services will be able to operate between Ely and Norwich on Wednesday while repairs are carried out."
Engineers have worked through the night on the damaged train
Engineers examining the scene on Wednesday morning said the wheels were badly damaged in the crash, which meant the train would be difficult to move.
Several staff looked at the front of the train and shook their heads in disbelief. One said everyone onboard had a "very, very lucky escape".
The line is due to remain closed throughout Wednesday
An East of England Ambulance Service spokesperson said two ambulances, four ambulance officer vehicles, the Hazardous Area Response Team and a response car from the East Anglian Air Ambulance were sent to the scene.
"One passenger from the train was assessed for minor injuries and did not require transportation to hospital," they said.
Engineers on Wednesday were chopping trees close to where the train was damaged
Rail Accident Investigation Branch inspectors have been sent to the site to gather evidence.
They will carry out a preliminary examination before deciding whether an investigation should be launched.
A spokesperson for operator Greater Anglia, which also uses the line, said: "A train operated by another train company has derailed between Thetford and Harling Road - all lines are blocked.
"At present, we have no estimate of when the line will reopen - do not travel between Norwich and Ely as train services running through these stations have been cancelled or revised."
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YorkRailFan
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RAIB now on site, naturally the line is still closed.
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And Barrow on Soar in 2008, as it happens. She's been known as Bridget since!
To be fair most units doing the mileage these do will be involved in incidents of different kinds, you just don't hear of most of them.
dk1
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The daylight photographs in the BBC article would appear to suggest that the incident took place near to the overbridge to Grange Farm, Roudham.
Train hits tree and derails near Thetford leaving one person hurt
An engineer at the scene says everyone on board had a "very, very lucky escape".www.bbc.co.uk
Yes the photographs I’ve seen show the A11 in the background.
91023 (/91132) reincarnated? :P
londonboi198o5
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Don’t need to have any certain type of weather for this to happen. I have hit a tree in June/July when it has been bright and sunny
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Indeed but the chances are greater after the run of weather we've had...five in one week up here recently.
RichSwitch
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Trees are like animals and people. They can indeed die at any time.
Stampy
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Or might it be able to "limp" to Crown Point at Norwich??
That one was (AIUI) very nasty indeed for the driver, who recovered, but left the grade for another role. If it’s the same cab involved, I guess it’ll be the second rebuild
.Pleased to hear no injuries on this occasion!
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The most likely destination is the home depot of Nottingham Eastcroft… however it could go anywhere.
Crown Point is extremely unlikely due to it being taken over by Stadler and only now specialising in that fleet.
dk1
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About to take the first train through.
Just awaiting possession to be given up.
Not just yet. Apparently the incident 158 and that assisting it have failed over the points at Brandon
Just awaiting possession to be given up.
Not just yet. Apparently the incident 158 and that assisting it have failed over the points at Brandon
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158s get fuelled and basic maintenance on Crown Point every night. It'd have meant driving from the damaged cab though.
dk1
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Both 158s are in the stone sidings at Brandon.
Sleepy
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1st 3 services from Norwich Thursday (0549, 0651 & 0755) all cancelled few minutes ago - poor show from EMR ??
I guess there are no units at Norwich, so they'll need to wait for arrivals to form the outbound services?
Not sure how you think they'd have got units to Norwich with the line shut?
Sleepy
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Considering EMR cancelled the last 2 services Wednesday evening from Nottingham which could have run to Ely (and line was planned to reopen around 2000 so seems odd decision) plus they had the 158 which moved collision unit to Brandon ? There also appears to be a 156 stabled at Norwich so 2 units at eastern end of the route.
Spaceship323
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All the EMR 156's have gone to Northern apart from a couple of units that are out of use at Ely
quite, and its reminded me actually last year around this time, coming back from Nottingham on a 158, on that exact same line coming back to Norwich, and I was convinced we'd hit a branch or some bit of tree that had dropped near trackside. as there was an almighty bang, followed by what sounded like ballast hitting metal bits as maybe we dragged it along for a few seconds.
so maybe it happens more often than we think if the train doesnt derail.