Enfield Stations season ticket

[JonK]

Hi all,

I was intending to buy an annual point to point season ticket from Enfield Town to London Terminals (London Liverpool Street in this case). The National Rail website implies that you can only have a season ticket valid from Enfield Town to Liverpool St or Enfield Chase to Moorgate and not valdiity for both on the same ticket.

However, I was investigating the ticket machines at London Liverpool Street recently and saw that it was possible to buy a season ticket (weekly only from the machine) valid to "Enfield stations". I enquired at the ticket window and they said it could be used to travel from Liverpool St to Enfield Town and Enfield Lock (although not sure this is correct, else someone wanting a p2p from Enfield Lock could save a lot of money by buying this ticket?) but not to Enfield Chase via the FCC service from Moorgate (also a London Terminal).

I did a quick google search when I got in last night and saw that the group code "Enfield Stations" included Enfield Town and Chase, but not Lock. What I was wondering is if I do buy an annual from Enfield Stations to London Terminals (I assume it would have this on the ticket rather than London Liverpool Street) then can I use it from Enfield Town to Liverpool Street AND Enfield Chase to Moorgate/Kings Cross?

 

[PermitToTravel]

Yes, you can. I think they were incorrect - it's Enfield Chase or Enfield Town if it was the one that costs £1560 per year.

 

[Hadders]

I think it's actually issued as Enfield Chse/Town these days so it can be used into Liverpool Street, Moorgare (or Kings Cross).

Enfield Lock isn't included as far as I know.

 

[47421]

Pretty sure season Enfield to London Terminals is valid Chase or Town to Liv St, Old Street, Kings Cross or Moorgate. And yes per comment above and BRfares, seems to be issued as Enfield Chase / Town not Enfield Stations

Brfares shows £39 weekly season Enfield Chase/Town to London Terminals http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=0263&dest=1072

On National Rail if you put Enfield Town to London Liverpool Street it gives a £39 weekly fare and says:

"Enfield Chase or Enfield Town to London Terminals
Available Standard Class Adult Season Tickets (Travel is allowed via any permitted route.)

Using National Rail services you can travel to / from the following London stations: London Liverpool Street [LST]"

Then if you put Enfield Chase to Moorgate in it gives a £39 weekly fare and says:

"Enfield Chase or Enfield Town to London Terminals
Available Standard Class Adult Season Tickets (Travel is allowed via any permitted route.)

Using National Rail services you can travel to / from the following London stations: Old Street [OLD], London Kings Cross [KGX], Moorgate [MOG] "

 

[JonK]

Pretty sure season Enfield to London Terminals is valid Chase or Town to Liv St, Old Street, Kings Cross or Moorgate. And yes per comment above and BRfares, seems to be issued as Enfield Chase / Town not Enfield Stations

Brfares shows £39 weekly season Enfield Chase/Town to London Terminals http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=0263&dest=1072

On National Rail if you put Enfield Town to London Liverpool Street it gives a £39 weekly fare and says:

"Enfield Chase or Enfield Town to London Terminals
Available Standard Class Adult Season Tickets (Travel is allowed via any permitted route.)

Using National Rail services you can travel to / from the following London stations: London Liverpool Street [LST]"

Then if you put Enfield Chase to Moorgate in it gives a £39 weekly fare and says:

"Enfield Chase or Enfield Town to London Terminals
Available Standard Class Adult Season Tickets (Travel is allowed via any permitted route.)

Using National Rail services you can travel to / from the following London stations: Old Street [OLD], London Kings Cross [KGX], Moorgate [MOG] "

Thanks - it was that information from the website that made me think you couldn't use it to both Liverpool St and Moorgate (i.e. the "Using National Rail services you can travel to / from the following London stations: London Liverpool Street [LST]").

Thanks everyone else too for the info, has really helped me. I'll be loading my new Gold record card onto my Oyster card as soon as I have my annual.

 

[Be3G]

As a local, I can confirm that all the advice given in this thread is correct. The ticket used to be issued to/from ENFIELD STATIONS, but presumably to dispel an overly optimistic myth that it could be used to Enfield Lock (which is in a different zone!), it was eventually changed to ENFIELD CHSE/TWN. The ticket has validity on:

• The First Capital Connect lines from Enfield Chase to Kings Cross and Moorgate;
• London Underground from Finsbury Park to Highbury, Kings Cross, Old Street and Moorgate (but not other intermediate stations);
• The Greater Anglia line from Enfield Town to Liverpool Street.

 

[Hadders]

Would a Enfield Chse/Twn to Lewisham season ticket route: not underground be valid into Liverpool Street and Moorgate as well as Kings Cross with a walk across London to London Bridge?

It's obviously intended to be used via the Thameslink Core but a ticket like this does potentially offer some additional validity.

 

[kieron]

Would a Enfield Chse/Twn to Lewisham season ticket route: not underground be valid into Liverpool Street and Moorgate as well as Kings Cross with a walk across London to London Bridge?

It wouldn't into Moorgate, as the timetable doesn't list any way to cross London from there without using the underground. There is a route listed between Liverpool Street and Blackfriars, though.

 

[Hadders]

But what about walking between Moorgate and London Bridge?

 

[Be3G]

I think it all depends on whether ‘Not Underground’ also precludes the use of inter-available routes – my gut instinct says it shouldn't, but I could be wrong. If it doesn't, then the ticket you describe Hadders would be valid to Moorgate (with the intention of using the inter-available LUL validity to reach Kings Cross), only, you'd break your journey there rather than boarding an Underground train. Your journey would then be resumed at London Bridge.

 

[PermitToTravel]

I would agree with that - interavailable routes are ticketed as though operated by an NR TOC and so can be used on a NOT UNDERGROUND ticket. Good luck convincing staff on the gateline of this

 

[Hadders]

I don't think inter-available routes enter into it as there is no need to use the Underground. FCC run services to Moorgate and GA run services to Liverpool Street. Can these services be used on, say, a Enfield Chse/Twn-Lewisham season ticket with a cross London walk?

 

[bb21]

I don't think there is consensus on this issue.

Johnnycache who worked for Southern previously mentioned not that long ago that his interpretation was that you can use a London Not Underground ticket as a normal Via London ticket as long as you don't use LU services (exceptions apply).

 

[island]

We have discussed this on a number of threads and haven't really got anywhere. My limited experience is Mrs. island having a Reading to Lee ticket route LONDON NOT UND passed without comment by FGW staff.

 

[JonK]

Hi all

Just had another question about this ticket - I've never been able to get through the rail barriers at Liverpool Street, Edmonton Green or Enfield Town using my ticket. Is it faulty or is it the case with all annual gold cards?

 

[Be3G]

If you're talking about the CHSE/TWN to London Terminals ticket discussed earlier in the thread, then yes, there's definitely a fault. Sometimes ticket barriers at intermediate stations will throw up problems, but it should absolutely work at Enfield Town and Liverpool Street.

 

[JonK]

If you're talking about the CHSE/TWN to London Terminals ticket discussed earlier in the thread, then yes, there's definitely a fault. Sometimes ticket barriers at intermediate stations will throw up problems, but it should absolutely work at Enfield Town and Liverpool Street.

Yep, it's the same ticket. I have to ask to be let through, although the other day one of the Abellio staff at Liverpool Street asked to see the back of my ticket, looked at it and let me through. Nobody else has paid any attention to anything other than seeing the Gold Card with my photocard. Assume this guy must have thought it was a fake.

 

[furlong]

Yep, it's the same ticket.

Look for the small numeric code that is displayed on the barrier when it is rejected. That will enable staff to tell you why it was rejected. (Or use google or ask us on here.)

 

[iphone76]

Yep, it's the same ticket. I have to ask to be let through, although the other day one of the Abellio staff at Liverpool Street asked to see the back of my ticket, looked at it and let me through. Nobody else has paid any attention to anything other than seeing the Gold Card with my photocard. Assume this guy must have thought it was a fake.

They were asking everyone passing through the manual barriers at Liverpool Street on Wednesday morning to take their tickets out to check the back. I wonder whether they had a tip off about people using fake tickets.

 

[island]

Look for the small numeric code that is displayed on the barrier when it is rejected. That will enable staff to tell you why it was rejected. (Or use google or ask us on here.)

Many barriers now give a brief textual explanation as well as the number.

 

[JonK]

Thanks everyone. The error code was 07 - the chap at the barrier said the magnetic strip in my gold card must have worn out but it's never worked from the day I received it back in June - I'd say it's been through a barrier 10 times at most as after it was rejected several times I just showed it as I walked through the manual gates.

I purchased this annual ticket under my company's season ticket loan scheme from Abellio corporate sales so do I need to go to them for a replacement or can I just ask for it at Liverpool Street?

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Thanks everyone. The error code was 07 - the chap at the barrier said the magnetic strip in my gold card must have worn out but it's never worked from the day I received it back in June - I'd say it's been through a barrier 10 times at most as after it was rejected several times I just showed it as I walked through the manual gates.

I purchased this annual ticket under my company's season ticket loan scheme from Abellio corporate sales so do I need to go to them for a replacement or can I just ask for it at Liverpool Street?

Any ticket office should be able to change it, Liverpool Street should be fine. In some cases you might need to provide contact details for the original ticket issuer as they need to be informed of any change of ticket, though I imagine Liverpool Street would have details for Abellio issued tickets.

 

[island]

Abellio operates my company's corporate season ticket scheme too; our FAQ says you need to email them to get a letter regarding damaged tickets which you then take to a station for a replacement ticket.