Enterprise Substitutions (DMUs instead of Enterprise stock)

[IrishRailScene]

9002 + 8208 worked 10:40 ex York Road Depot to Templepatrick and return at 11:43 today.

 

[dubscottie]

The ICR sets are currently being reformed and we will end up with a fleet of 3, 4 and 6 car sets.

The sets with first class are being restored to 6 car sets (they were reduced to 5 car) and two of those will be rostered on the Belfast route.

Just to add, a 6 piece with 1st has been stabled in Pearse during the day since the new timetable came in.
Until all the new coaches are in service its fluid.

Can i also ask will the six car 22000 used be two 22000 units coupled or an actual six car 22000 unit? Originally when the 22000 were introduced they were all in 3 and 6 car formation. Then they got split in to 3 and 4 and 5 car formation leaving no 6 car units left. But recently they have had lots of new carriages delivered. I read recently that the plan was for them to be returned to their original 3 and 6 car formations. I think that the only 22200 with First Class are 5 car so i presume that this means the return to 6 car units will happen when the full hourly Enterprise service starts?

 

[berneyarms]

Just to add, a 6 piece with 1st has been stabled in Pearse during the day since the new timetable came in.
Until all the new coaches are in service its fluid.

The hourly service won't be launched until they can allocate two sets with First Class to it, with the proviso, as I said before, that if they or a DD set need to be substituted, the substitute, as now, will not have first class.

 

[dubscottie]

The hourly service won't be launched until they can allocate two sets with First Class to it, with the proviso, as I said before, that if they or a DD set need to be substituted, the substitute, as now, will not have first class.

The hourly service is already running but is being stopped short at Dundalk or Drogheda.
Once Belfast Grand Central opens the new timetable kicks in.
What is in the public timetable will be interesting as only DD sets can guarantee 1st.
I predict a further change to the timetable very, very shortly as its been a complete mess through Connolly since Monday. Nothing is running to time.
A Dart driver was saying he now has to get the train 20 mins earlier from a station on the Northern line and arrives in Fairview 10 mins later than before. 30 mins longer to get to work.

A ICR comes up from Gorey to Connolly then immediately forms a Connolly-Drogheda. Looped in Clongriffin to let one of the new Belfasts past. Still late.
In my opinion, the NTA should leave running the railway to people that actually work on it.

 

[berneyarms]

The hourly service is already running but is being stopped short at Dundalk or Drogheda.
Once Belfast Grand Central opens the new timetable kicks in.
What is in the public timetable will be interesting as only DD sets can guarantee 1st.
I predict a further change to the timetable very, very shortly as its been a complete mess through Connolly since Monday. Nothing is running to time.
A Dart driver was saying he now has to get the train 20 mins earlier from a station on the Northern line and arrives in Fairview 10 mins later than before. 30 mins longer to get to work.

A ICR comes up from Gorey to Connolly then immediately forms a Connolly-Drogheda. Looped in Clongriffin to let one of the new Belfasts past. Still late.
In my opinion, the NTA should leave running the railway to people that actually work on it.

Any reference to an hourly service in my posts above was clearly referring to the full hourly Dublin-Belfast service, and not the interim situation that we have now.

The hourly Belfast has nothing to do with the NTA. It's a direct Irish Government/NI Executive funded initiative that the two railway companies came up with.

The NTA don't design the working timetable and certainly don't have the expertise to decide what's possible - that's exclusively Irish Rail's responsibility.

Presumably the Irish Rail schedulers are looking at what the root cause of the issues are and trying to come up with fixes. What looks good on paper doesn't always work in practice. We'll see what they come up with.

 

[IrishRailScene]

1. Enterprise

Portadown / Dublin - Rail Service Alterations​

01 September 10:35-01 September 20:30
services:

• Rail

Due to operational difficulties, the following services will operate a non Enterprise service - these will be a normal rail cart with no first plus facilities and limited catering - 01/09/2024:

1035 - Portadown to Dublin.

12:50 - Dublin to Portadown.

16:35 - Portadown to Dublin.

18:50 - Dublin to Portadown.

Translink apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.

 

[dub_boi]

a normal rail cart with no first plus facilities

A Freudian error from Translink ?

 

[dubscottie]

Any reference to an hourly service in my posts above was clearly referring to the full hourly Dublin-Belfast service, and not the interim situation that we have now.

The hourly Belfast has nothing to do with the NTA. It's a direct Irish Government/NI Executive funded initiative that the two railway companies came up with.

The NTA don't design the working timetable and certainly don't have the expertise to decide what's possible - that's exclusively Irish Rail's responsibility.

Presumably the Irish Rail schedulers are looking at what the root cause of the issues are and trying to come up with fixes. What looks good on paper doesn't always work in practice. We'll see what they come up with.

I am aware the NTA have nothing to do with the Belfast trains.. however the new hourly service and NTA demands are making the current timetable unworkable.
Trains seriously late, drivers missing links.
Yes its upto Irishrail to formulate a timetable, but the NTA have the final say.
Darts are not immune either as today showed.
On a separate note.. the 6 piece ICR in Pearse sidings today was didn't have 1st. Spare for Belfast I believe.

 

[stadler]

Does anyone know when the hourly Enterprise service starts? I thought it was meant to be as soon as the new Belfast Grand Central opens but the timetables online still seem to be showing a less frequent every two hours service? Is it now being done at a later date? If so is the date for the new timetable known?

 

[berneyarms]

Does anyone know when the hourly Enterprise service starts? I thought it was meant to be as soon as the new Belfast Grand Central opens but the timetables online still seem to be showing a less frequent every two hours service? Is it now being done at a later date? If so is the date for the new timetable known?

Tuesday October 29th, the first full day after the Irish bank holiday weekend - they aren't doing it before then as there is an engineering possession between Connolly and Dundalk for that entire weekend.

 

[dubscottie]

Does anyone know when the hourly Enterprise service starts? I thought it was meant to be as soon as the new Belfast Grand Central opens but the timetables online still seem to be showing a less frequent every two hours service? Is it now being done at a later date? If so is the date for the new timetable known?

As above.. Countless people looking for a 09.50 Belfast in Connolly that does not yet exist on a Saturday.

There might be a few more DMU subs.. Parking brake left on a DD set so one coach out.

 

[IrishRailScene]

Seen 22139 on the 1500 to DN today

 

[IrishRailScene]

Irish Rail CAF 29120 made history on Monday 2nd December 2024 working the first 29K service into GC!

 

[dubscottie]

Must have been a spur of the moment working. Nothing in reports about a failure or set swap or delays. That set would be speed restricted.

 

[IrishRailScene]

Lanyon Place this morning

 

[duesselmartin]

What are the plans for Lanyon Place. Will it be closed?

 

[185143]

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Lanyon Place this morning

Why are they in Lanyon?

 

[berneyarms]

What are the plans for Lanyon Place. Will it be closed?

Why would it be closed?

It serves a completely different part of the city.

Why are they in Lanyon?

The railway was shut earlier due to the storm.

Presumably they were en route from the depot.

 

[IrishRailScene]

Why would it be closed?

It serves a completely different part of the city.


The railway was shut earlier due to the storm.

Presumably they were en route from the depot.

Yep that’s correct -I was at GC at 0630 only to be told we were to get a bus to Lanyon and then join the 0700 there. In the end I gave up and went home!

 

[Trainbike46]

What are the plans for Lanyon Place. Will it be closed?

I'm not aware of any plans to close Lanyon Place, and it would be really weird as it serves a different part of the city. The only difference is that, the enterprise no longer serves it

 

[Wakeful]

What are the plans for Lanyon Place. Will it be closed?

They've reallocated what services use what platforms at Lanyon Place. Previously, this was the arrangement for most services:
Platform 1: NIR peak times only/specials/kept clear for empty movements Fortwilliam/York Road Depots-GVS/Adelaide Depot
Platform 2: Enterprise arrivals and departures
Platform 3: UP NIR trains towards GVS
Platform 4: DOWN NIR trains towards Bangor/Larne/Derry~Londonderry

Since 13/10/24, the arrangement seemingly is as follows for most services:
Platforms 1 & 2: UP NIR trains towards BGCS, with Larne Line trains arriving on P1 and Bangor Line trains arriving on P2
Platform 3: UP & DOWN NIR trains to/from Derry~Londonderry/BGCS
Platform 3: DOWN NIR trains towards Bangor/Larne

 

[duesselmartin]

thank you.

 

[Trainbike46]

They've reallocated what services use what platforms at Lanyon Place. Previously, this was the arrangement for most services:
Platform 1: NIR peak times only/specials/kept clear for empty movements Fortwilliam/York Road Depots-GVS/Adelaide Depot
Platform 2: Enterprise arrivals and departures
Platform 3: UP NIR trains towards GVS
Platform 4: DOWN NIR trains towards Bangor/Larne/Derry~Londonderry

Since 13/10/24, the arrangement seemingly is as follows for most services:
Platforms 1 & 2: UP NIR trains towards BGCS, with Larne Line trains arriving on P1 and Bangor Line trains arriving on P2
Platform 3: UP & DOWN NIR trains to/from Derry~Londonderry/BGCS
Platform 3: DOWN NIR trains towards Bangor/Larne

Is that right? it seems like a lot of services from platform 3, and nothing from platform 4?

 

[berneyarms]

I suspect that the last line is platform 4 and that it’s a typo.

 

[Backroom_boy]

So has running from Grand Central had much impact on timings or reliability for the Enterprise service?