Eurostar to Euston connection time

[Nev20]

In May I'm off to Amsterdam for a couple of days and was looking for advice coming back.

Ideally I want to get the 17:17 changing in Brussels which I think gets into London at around 9. The onwards connection would then be the 21:43 from Euston. Typically is this a do able connection? Or should I cover my back and get rn advance for the 10 pm train as well as they're both very cheap at the minute back to Brum. Cheers.

 

[kristiang85]

I walk between the two, to be honest. After getting caught in the crowds at both stations I'm convinced its the same amount of time. Its about a 15 min walk for me, so one can easily do it in that 45 minutes.

 

[A Challenge]

I don't think 21:43 constitutes a valid connection off the 21:03 arrival from Brussels as the minimum connection time is the sum of London Eurostar CIV (35 minutes), the interchange between London Eurostar CIV to London Euston (15 minutes) and London Euston (15 minutes), to total 65 minutes, though it is probably possible (I'm not sure how long exit from Eurostar takes).

Could it be confirmed that London Eurostar CIV is the correct point, in oppose to London St Pancras Intl, London International (CIV) London St Pancras, as I am unsure which h is correct and London St Pancras would give a valid connection.

 

[Nev20]

It isn't a valid connection as Eurostar don't advertise it on their through ticket. So would be booking it seperatley. However as we all know valid connections and what can actually be done are entirely different. So was wondering if it is possible to get in and out in that time?

I've never used Eurostar you see, so while I know how to get between the two stations I'm not sure on if it's any different getting off the train.

 

[talldave]

There's a less polluted route through the back streets signposted from the Midland Road exit near the Thameslink platforms. Took me 9 minutes with no luggage.

 

[A Challenge]

You can use more that one ticket for one journey though (not trying to start an arguement) so surely it is valid.

 

[Nev20]

You can use more that one ticket for one journey though (not trying to start an arguement) so surely it is valid.

What I mean by valid is that you can't buy a through ticket from Amsterdam to Birmingham leaving at 17:17.

 

[Merseysider]

In practice, this is an entirely achievable connection, but if you just buy a ticket for the 21:43 you’ll be SOL if the E* is late and you miss the connection as you won’t have officially allowed enough time.

Regarding how long it takes to get off the platform and on your way, if you’re at the very front of the Eurostar set allow an additional 5 minutes for leaving St Pancras as opposed to domestic arrivals. If you’re at the very back of the train add an additional 10, at least.

 

[robbeech]

You can use more that one ticket for one journey though (not trying to start an arguement) so surely it is valid.

Perhaps a minor misunderstanding. Yes you can use multiple tickets for a journey but at a connection point if you do not leave the minimum connection time then if delays occur you will not be entitled to the benefits such as being allowed to board the next train or such.
IMO the 2143 is cutting it a little fine as Eurostar arrivals can take a bit of time, the 2200 should generally be doable but STILL DOES NOT meet the minimum connection time (if this is stated correctly above). Unless this is at a weekend, or after a timetable change, the 2143 and 2200 have quite different routing, only one called through Birmingham so are you sure both are suitable?

 

[Nev20]

By 22:00 I should have said the 22:30. At 7 quid a single I think I'll just get both and play it safe. I really cannot cope with the idea of that half 10 virgin trundling through the west coast mainline, mind you.

For the record I am perfectly aware of it not being a valid connection. I'm just simply asking; people that use it, is it possible or not.

Another option for me would actually to get the 21:35 to Leeds. While an either shorter time between trains, is that a more realistic connection?

 

[Merseysider]

You might want to hang on before booking anything as there’s an impending Virgin seat sale. Tomorrow if you’re on o2 or midweek otherwise.

 

[Nev20]

Yeah I've seen that. Though I can't imagine it'll be reduced even further surely? It's 13.50 for 2 people with a railcard each as it is

 

[Merseysider]

Can’t say for certain but if the last few sales are anything to go by, it’ll probably be a fiver each in the sale for such quiet trains. Your call.

 

[AndrewE]

I walk along Brill Place and Phoenix Rd between Euston and St P / Kings X too. It's easy and clean, but once I missed a 1/2-hr connection onto a booked advance on a Virgin train because of a late Eurostar arrival: the travel centre and gateline staff at Euston were completely intransigent. Basically "tough ****! Go and buy yourself another ticket!" I had another option, so I didn't argue.

 

[Hadders]

If the Eurostar arrives on time you should get to Euston with plenty of time.

The quickest way to walk to Euston is now via Dangoor Walk which runs down the south side of the new Crick Institute building. Walk through the flats between Ossulston Street and Chalton Street, walk through the alleyway opposite the Somers Town Coffee House Churchway) and then along Doric Way.

https://goo.gl/bUjijx

 

[A Challenge]

Could I point out there is no minimum interchange time defined from walking between the two (though why it is transfer 0001-0530 when there's the night tube I don't know) ononly Tube

 

[Hadders]

Night tube only operates on Fridays and Saturdays.

 

[johnnychips]

When is your last train to Birmingham? The E* at 1952 from Brussels on Sunday night was delayed for 135 minutes, meaning we missed the last train to Doncaster. Because we had CIV tickets, we were able to stay in a hotel and carry on the journey next day. Separate tickets would not give this protection.

 

[Merseysider]

Ticket offices can sell Advance fares from London International CIV to Birmingham at broadly the same price as a normal advance.

Well pointed out.

 

[cuccir]

On arrival into London, it's the lowest number carriages which are nearest the exit: clearly coach 1 is best, and I think coach 4 is the closest standard class carriage.

 

[AlterEgo]

You can use more that one ticket for one journey though (not trying to start an arguement) so surely it is valid.

Eurostar is not subject to the National Rail Conditions of Travel so bringing the Conditions up here isn’t relevant.

 

[30907]

Eurostar is not subject to the National Rail Conditions of Travel so bringing the Conditions up here isn’t relevant.

True, but AFAIK UK TOCs treat ES delays just like others - provided minimum connection time is observed. OP wants to make a tighter connection though.

 

[ricoblade]

If the Eurostar arrives on time you should get to Euston with plenty of time.

The quickest way to walk to Euston is now via Dangoor Walk which runs down the south side of the new Crick Institute building. Walk through the flats between Ossulston Street and Chalton Street, walk through the alleyway opposite the Somers Town Coffee House Churchway) and then along Doric Way.

https://goo.gl/bUjijx

That's good to hear as the old signposted route used to take you a long way up Eversholt Street (when coming from Euston) then right on Phoenix Road, passed the salubrious Cock Tavern, which always seemed a long way round.

 

[Nev20]

Think we're just going to opt for the 16:17 and get the through ticket.

 

[AndrewE]

The quickest way to walk to Euston is now via Dangoor Walk which runs down the south side of the new Crick Institute building. Walk through the flats between Ossulston Street and Chalton Street, walk through the alleyway opposite the Somers Town Coffee House Churchway) and then along Doric Way.https://goo.gl/bUjijx

That's good to hear as the old signposted route used to take you a long way up Eversholt Street (when coming from Euston) then right on Phoenix Road, passed the salubrious Cock Tavern, which always seemed a long way round.

Thanks for the tip Hadders, it does look shorter and I'll try it out. However the Phoenix Rd route is easy to navigate, doesn't really take you very far North on Eversholt St (although I often wish the side entrance to platform 1 of Euston was still open) and the walk in daylight on wider streets is welcome after an hour or two sitting tight on a crowded long-distance train.