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0 points. What a surprise...
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Not really. The song was bland and the UK is never popular with the public.The public vote for UK. Brutal
I am now firmly in favour if Brexit and renounce my previous remain views0 points. What a surprise...
At least we got some points from the jury vote. We've had an actual zero overall beforehand!The public vote given to the UK
It wasn't the worst effort we've sent in recent years, but I agree that it wasn't good enough.Not really. The song was bland and the UK is never popular with the public.
We had some rather interesting staging, but I guess most of the European public isn't interested in things like that.It wasn't the worst effort we've sent in recent years, but I agree that it wasn't good enough
My "brutal" comment was more to do with the 0 when everyone else got something, that would sting me as a performer. Felt similar when Norway got told they had 4Not really. The song was bland and the UK is never popular with the public.
The usual caveats apply that Sweden's legal system isn't like the UK's - the police shove pretty much everything at a prosecutor who decides if there's anything worth doing more investigation into. The Dutch broadcaster have put out a *very* strong defence of him, and frankly the timing of it all, including how late the police complaint went in, doesn't seem to reflect very well on the EBU.Given the police have prepared a report for possible prosecution it seems highly appropriate for the performer to have been suspended.
Rightfully so. My least favourite was Greece but UK was the most boring by far. We are never popular with the public but why would we be if we submit such a poor song?0 points. What a surprise...
Historically the Song Contest was broadcast as a bit of fun to show off the capabilities of Eurovision to distribute content to multiple countries live, in the pre satellite and IP days. It never really was primarily a singing competition, even then.Eurovision is an organisation that allows broadcasters to “pool” news and sports footage amongst other things. The broadcasters in each country pay a fee each year and that allows each broadcaster to use each others footage. The 5 biggest contributors to Eurovision (UK, Spain, France, Germany and Italy) get an automatic place in the Song Contest Finals every year as a result. Any country anywhere in the world can be a Eurovision member and can (theoretically) enter the song contest. Hence the likes of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Isreal and Australia taking part over the years…
The public vote may have been slightly impacted by a bunch of people who have no interest in the competition voting for Israel as a purely political statement. Since there were 25 competing songs to vote for it's relatively easy to stitch up the vote for a country, and much more difficult to stitch it up against them. Opinion polls across much of the world including Britain and most of Europe strongly suggest that Israel's ongoing behaviour doesn't enjoy a huge level og popular support.Any member (plus associates) of the Eurovision Broadcasting Union can participate - hence Israel, Azerbaijan, Australia etc. even Morocco entered, but only once.
The disconnect between the vocal minority of protesters and the hefty public vote for Israel was stark. Israel got almost twice as many votes from the public as the winner. The noisy pro-Hamas position may not be as popular as their echo chamber tells them.
As for the UK - send a poor live vocal performer and that is the result. We came second two years ago, so clearly the UK can pick up votes if they are deserved. The BBC have chosen the singer and sing internally for the past four years, with three acts doing terribly. The public selection needs to return.
I seem to recall that the Moroccan entry was in a year where Israel were absent, and that it wasn’t coincidental that that was the year Morocco chose to participate.Any member (plus associates) of the Eurovision Broadcasting Union can participate - hence Israel, Azerbaijan, Australia etc. even Morocco entered, but only once.
The disconnect between the vocal minority of protesters and the hefty public vote for Israel was stark. Israel got almost twice as many votes from the public as the winner. The noisy pro-Hamas position may not be as popular as their echo chamber tells them.
As for the UK - send a poor live vocal performer and that is the result. We came second two years ago, so clearly the UK can pick up votes if they are deserved. The BBC have chosen the singer and sing internally for the past four years, with three acts doing terribly. The public selection needs to return.
Eurovision is an organisation that allows broadcasters to “pool” news and sports footage amongst other things. The broadcasters in each country pay a fee each year and that allows each broadcaster to use each others footage. The 5 biggest contributors to Eurovision (UK, Spain, France, Germany and Italy) get an automatic place in the Song Contest Finals every year as a result. Any country anywhere in the world can be a Eurovision member and can (theoretically) enter the song contest. Hence the likes of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Isreal and Australia taking part over the years…
Only to add that the UK entry was terrible in every way...and even "nul points" was being generous.
0 points. What a surprise...
You're simply projecting your own prejudices of the UK onto the whole of Europe.I do wonder whether the UK, rightly or wrongly, now has an international image of being a mildly-xenophobic and distinctly, shall we say, "uncool" country. A country you wouldn't be seen dead voting for.
It's not prejudice, it's rational criticism. If we wish to improve as a nation, we have to critique ourselves and recognise our weaknesses.You're simply projecting your own prejudices of the UK onto the whole of Europe.
Note that I said:Sorry, but out of the whole of Europe, the UK is arguably one of the least xenophobic/racist/whatever word you want to use whose meaning has been totally diluted over the past decade or two. Just look at the amount of inter-race marriages we have compared compared to Europe. Polls consistently show us as more tolerant to foreigners too. I honestly don't know what you're basing it on that you think we are less tolerant than continental European nations, everything points to the contrary.
It's about the image, put out by our international representatives (i.e. our Government), rather than the actuality. For those who have never visited a given country, image is everything.Now, actually, I don't think UK citizens are any more or less xenophobic than citizens of any other western country. The difference is that here, the Government listen to xenophobes rather than argue with them as likely happens in many other countries.
As I also said in my post, I believe it started with other events back in the 00s which harmed our international reputation, primarily the Iraq war.We've been semi-regularly getting nil points for at least two decades plus now, .
Disagree absolutely. If you wrap yourself in the national flag, (and there was plenty 'in your face' waving blue on white star of Davids in the frequently shown green room), then you are a representative of the nation that had that flag. Israel claims to be a democracy, therefore its electorate gets what it votes for.The fact that the Israeli singer was booed and had to have an armed escort just shows how utterly warped humanity is becoming. Did she authorise the use of lethal force in Gaza? No. Has she committed to wiping Gaza off the face of the planet? No. Her crime then? Being from Israel.
I'm sorry that is utter nonsense. Its a singing contest no more no less, I seem to remember in the days when I watched the show that most contestants waived their national flag, it was all just part of the show. But now Israelis do it and its "in your face". It makes me laugh when I read reports gushing about how tolerant the event is, and how love reigns over everything, except the Israeli contestant of course... Utter, complete nonsense...Disagree absolutely. If you wrap yourself in the national flag, (and there was plenty 'in your face' waving blue on white star of Davids in the frequently shown green room), then you are a representative of the nation that had that flag. Israel claims to be a democracy, therefore its electorate gets what it votes for.
What may not have helped here was that unfounded allegations were made against the Greek artist.Saturday:
Disqualification of the Netherlands.
Martin Österdahl booed repeatedly.
Absence of Ireland, Greece and Switzerland from the start of the dress rehearsal.
Not really. The song was bland and the UK is never popular with the public.
There would also potentially be a few minor problems if Israel were to compete in a Middle East version of Eurovision,