D6130
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Will they take it to Canton or Crewe, I wonder?
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GWVillager
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I would presume Canton, then they don't have to awkwardly run round and reverse.
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GWVillager
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Oh. Well, my presumption was wrong!
Ahh ok, well good to hear some progress is going at least.
Not to sure about that as there have been many instances of MK4 substitution due to exam and maintenance routines only, so an extra set will improve overall ability and resources to provide a MK4 service. I did mention the 67 issues in my post and I know if the other set was introduced it wouldn't be a cure-all solution but as the saying goes 'every little helps'.
There has lots of it boils down to loco availability.
Sets on exams are having extremely protracted exams due to having to work round loco availability.
Whilst there's so many sets not in use, adding another to the mix can cause stabling problems too as each depot reaches capacity.
I happen to agree through, long term I do think HD08 would be useful but the current problems it wouldn't mean any more in service, getting 67016 as per post #3328 will be more helpful.
SuperLuke2334
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Thanks for the confirmation on 016 being modded. Do we know if it will get a repaint before starting with the sets, as it's still in a very shabby EWS livery? Not necessarily a TfW livery of course, but a tidy up would be nice.
A few locos seem to be making their way back into the fleet now.
67015, 025, 020, 010, 029, 022 now on HD01/02/04-07 respectively and non-modded 67005 and 028 acting as the rescue locos so there should be back to a full 4 set service tomorrow (hopefully)
67015, 025, 020, 010, 029, 022 now on HD01/02/04-07 respectively and non-modded 67005 and 028 acting as the rescue locos so there should be back to a full 4 set service tomorrow (hopefully)
SuperLuke2334
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Brilliant news. There is hope yet.
GWVillager
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Wow, that was quick. Good idea to use non-modded locos as rescue engines too.
Hopefully they last a bit longer than last time!
It does take the pressure off the rest of the fleet whilst the additional one is modified.
GWVillager
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With the final LNER IC225s being withdrawn, will TfW be investigating their procurement?
FrodshamJnct
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Where would they use them (electric locomotives)? Might take more Mk4s though.
I'd think a lot of any thoughts of increasing the fleet would depend on how they're performing between now and then, if HD08 doesn't materialise the odds of getting more would seem slim.
Might be useful for spare parts although there's some parts being changed soon on the tfw sets which limits their use even for that.
It would be beneficial to the Cardiff/Swansea Manchester/Holyhead corridor if more services were operated by MK4 stock, they offer a much more pleasant travel experience when it comes to passenger comfort/environment especially on the longer distance journeys. Alas the issue remains with availability and reliability of the class 67's hopefully that will improve (time for DB to pull their finger out) so the MK4 services can become more dependable as the hit or miss provision is not acceptable. That being said now the 197's are coming more prevalent on the marches corridor it has made a better/reliable passenger experience, but not to the same standard as the MK4 services.
GWVillager
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I meant the Mk4s.
Well yes, the LNER sets would allow all Manchester to South Wales services to be Mk4s, delivering much needed consistency. The CAF intercity stock would make sense but I don’t think it’ll come to much with the Welsh Government’s financial situation.
IslandLine101
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1030, 1230, and 1430 off Manchester all Mk4s today - definitely an improvement. Nothing off Crewe though?
MP393
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The 04:54 from Crewe was a mk4 as booked this morning (HD04/67020) the other Crewe starter which is 05:24 empties to Piccadilly was 2x197 vice.
HD06 wasn't ready in time so it was decided to send HD05 onto 1V50 yesterday to get it to Canton for this morning so that diagram ran rather than the second Crewe start.
All of HD04-07 should be out tomorrow on the 4 booked diagrams if it goes to plan.
67008 should be back from an exam on Saturday, going onto HD02 instead of 025 so at least they're coming back to a full fleet now.
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67020 left Newport around 16.15 today for Manchester, looks like 5th coach can't come soon enough as was packed to standing. A few people in first class but probably no more than 10; not bad for a Sunday I expect?
The following train to Manchester at 16.55 was a 150 and totally rammed!
The following train to Manchester at 16.55 was a 150 and totally rammed!
4 sets out again today.
67010 on set 2
67915 on set 1
67020 on set 4
67029 on set 6
There were 2 out yesterday, 3 Saturday and 4 Friday.
I’m glad to see they’re getting out a bit more reliably. Fingers crossed they can get the 5th diagram running and then once they all have 5 coaches it’ll be great.
67010 on set 2
67915 on set 1
67020 on set 4
67029 on set 6
There were 2 out yesterday, 3 Saturday and 4 Friday.
I’m glad to see they’re getting out a bit more reliably. Fingers crossed they can get the 5th diagram running and then once they all have 5 coaches it’ll be great.
It does seem to have settled somewhat from the abysmal figures over the last few weeks.
The 5th diagram is incredibly unlilely to happen until HD03 is in service. 5 diagrams for 6 sets would be a tad unrealistic.
All the 5th coaches are now in Crewe ready to be prepared for use. Once final approval is received and HD03 enters service once each set reaches its next exam it's TO will be added. This keeps sets out of service to a minimum and also balances the exam miles across each set, or at least that's the plan!
Yeah that’s fair, I’d rather see a consistent 4 then trying to run 5 before it’s viable and upsetting everything.
Are they thinking HD03 will be signed off this month ?
It was planned to be but the lack of locos set things back somewhat as some of the work couldn't be done with no power so I'm not totally sure where things are upto now.
Fair enough. Will just have to be patient and wait then
GWVillager
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Seemingly 4 sets out again today.
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12477 has returned to Landore today using 12215 and 82220 as barriers, came south from Crewe to Margam yesterday.