BillStampy
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Hopefully! If it's a door fault then there shouldn't be too much of a problem to get the set running again hopefully. Canton can probably sort it for its Saturday diagrams!
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SuperLuke2334
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HD02 was always having door faults, so not surprising honestly!
HD06 letting the side down once again and not expected out tomorrow now.
Availability of HD02 and 06 is really trashing the diagrams at the moment.
It looks like the 0627, 0830, 1230, 1430 and 1630 from Manchester are all 197s today (mostly 3 cars but a 2 car on the 1230)
Therefore only the 1030 and 1830 departures are MK4's. In the week these are the 2 that are least likely to be a MK4
Therefore only the 1030 and 1830 departures are MK4's. In the week these are the 2 that are least likely to be a MK4
There was one minor blessing in that the 1730 from Manchester Piccadilly yesterday was a three car rather than a two car, as it was very much busier than usual from Abergavenny I always remember it being a two car 175 and have had the misfortune of using it as a two car 197 while CrossCountry are still refusing to stop at Wilmslow and Crewe (and on one Thursday a few months trying to board it at Manchester Piccadilly just before departure and having to give up because I physically couldn't squeeze in).
I always remember it being a two car 175 and have had the misfortune of using it as a two car 197 while CrossCountry are still refusing to stop at Wilmslow and Crewe (and on one Thursday a few months trying to board it at Manchester Piccadilly just before departure and having to give up because I physically couldn't squeeze in).
BillStampy
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Is the Crewe start today a MK4? Currently showing on RTT as 197103 + HD02.
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Realtime Trains | 5W00 0820 Crewe C.S. to Crewe | 05/05/2024
Real-time train running information for 5W00 0820 departure from Crewe C.S. to Crewe on 05/05/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Western 52
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Tfw journey check shows it with reduced facilities, so probably a unit. The Cardiff start is showing as 67012 on RTT.Is the Crewe start today a MK4? Currently showing on RTT as 197103 + HD02.
Realtime Trains | 5W00 0820 Crewe C.S. to Crewe | 05/05/2024
Real-time train running information for 5W00 0820 departure from Crewe C.S. to Crewe on 05/05/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
BillStampy
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Does indeed, doesn't saying anything about a lack of coaches, so it counts on what allocation it shows changes, because it might be automatically saying that it has no facilities due to the 197 on the allocation but still sees plenty of coaches. Just what I think though, unsure of it entirely. I'll see if it changes once it gets moving.
Seems to have been swapped off, Certainly was showing but now showing as just the 197 internally. Not sure what happened to it.Is the Crewe start today a MK4? Currently showing on RTT as 197103 + HD02.
Realtime Trains | 5W00 0820 Crewe C.S. to Crewe | 05/05/2024
Real-time train running information for 5W00 0820 departure from Crewe C.S. to Crewe on 05/05/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
BillStampy
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That's a little odd, the set should be okay? Not exactly the best with the capacity needed for Cardiff today.
BillStampy
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yikes. Well there goes my whole plan for today, my only free time to take the sets for a few weeks.. it is what it is...
craigybagel
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Believed to be a door fault on the rake, rather than an issue with the loco.
197111.
HD02 did indeed have (yet another) door fault. They've plague that set for some time.
It's planned back out tomorrow along with HD06 on the Crewe starts, not an especially promising sign relying on those 2.
Tomorrow, HD04 should head back from Crewe ETD following tyre turning whilst a loco (not 020 anymore as that's had to go back to Toton for further work following a test run) will head to Holyhead tomorrow or Tuesday to collect HD05 and take it to Canton for an exam to get it back in service albeit as a 4 car.
It's planned back out tomorrow along with HD06 on the Crewe starts, not an especially promising sign relying on those 2.
Tomorrow, HD04 should head back from Crewe ETD following tyre turning whilst a loco (not 020 anymore as that's had to go back to Toton for further work following a test run) will head to Holyhead tomorrow or Tuesday to collect HD05 and take it to Canton for an exam to get it back in service albeit as a 4 car.
Western 52
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I'm on it now. 67012 leading.
BillStampy
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1 set is better than none, saw it pass empty from Canton 2 hours ago. The door issue on HD02 is getting very repetitive.
It’s time the set that ‘rests’ over the weekend at Holyhead is used in service.
There has been an acknowledgment that travel patterns have shifted since the pandemic with growth in weekend and leisure travel.
Capacity is need across the network especially now that spring and summer are here.
1V90 was a two car 197 today full and standing (circa 200) for most of the journey along the North Coast with Platform Support staff at a number of stations to help with passenger numbers.
I’m sure this is just one example of many…
There has been an acknowledgment that travel patterns have shifted since the pandemic with growth in weekend and leisure travel.
Capacity is need across the network especially now that spring and summer are here.
1V90 was a two car 197 today full and standing (circa 200) for most of the journey along the North Coast with Platform Support staff at a number of stations to help with passenger numbers.
I’m sure this is just one example of many…
MP393
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The capacity is definitely needed, but it would require a lot of jigging around of stops and crew. The Mk4 couldn’t do todays 1V90, for example, as it can’t call at the request stops on the island, the locals between Bangor & Llan Junction or Shotton. It would also require to only be on trains on the coast worked purely by Holyhead crews as Llandudno Jn & Chester don’t sign them, and to use 1V90 as an example it’s also a Shrewsbury driver between Chester & Shrewsbury who don’t touch them either.
Definitely beneficial to get it out over the summer weekends and whilst it’s probably not impossible, it probably is the resourcing that causes the most issues and headaches, as well as the “missed” stops.
It would certainly be good to get it out on Holyhead - Crewe runs if it was possible, like the 67/Mk3 workings did a few summers ago, which I think doubled up as a maintenance swap between Crewe & Holyhead over the weekend.
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Kite159
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Agreed there, even if they run it as an additional service between Holyhead & Crewe with a similar calling pattern to an Avanti service. Would help soak up crowds for when it gets a bit hot and every man & his dog from the Wirral ends up wanting to visit Rhyl or Llandudno. Anything is better than a 2 coach 197 leaving passengers behind at Chester etc
MP393
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67013 + HD06 missing in action again today. 197107 covering the 04:54 start from Crewe (1V31)
EDIT 12:30hrs
67013+HD06
1V42 13:10 Crewe - Cardiff
1W23 16:49 Cardiff - Manchester
3 sets are currently
67012+HD03
1W11 04:35 Cardiff - Manchester
1V37 08:30 Manchester - Cardiff
1W96 17:14 Cardiff - Holyhead
67022+HD07
1V91 05:30 Holyhead - Cardiff
1W57 10:52 Cardiff - Manchester
1V46 14:30 Manchester - Cardiff
1W55 18:55 Cardiff - Manchester
67025+HD02
1V33 06:26 Manchester - Cardiff
1W19 12:49 Cardiff - Manchester
1V50 16:30 Manchester - Swansea
EDIT 12:30hrs
67013+HD06
1V42 13:10 Crewe - Cardiff
1W23 16:49 Cardiff - Manchester
3 sets are currently
67012+HD03
1W11 04:35 Cardiff - Manchester
1V37 08:30 Manchester - Cardiff
1W96 17:14 Cardiff - Holyhead
67022+HD07
1V91 05:30 Holyhead - Cardiff
1W57 10:52 Cardiff - Manchester
1V46 14:30 Manchester - Cardiff
1W55 18:55 Cardiff - Manchester
67025+HD02
1V33 06:26 Manchester - Cardiff
1W19 12:49 Cardiff - Manchester
1V50 16:30 Manchester - Swansea
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HD06 is missing as Arriva Train Care did not have time to prep HDO6 overnight due to a staff shortage and that the unit needed the water treating so a 197 was used to cover its diagram.
At least it’s a 3 car but the extra capacity of the MK4 and freeing up the 197 for something else would be most welcome on this lovely bank holiday no doubt.
Perhaps it Will get swapped onto its diagram later ?
At least it’s a 3 car but the extra capacity of the MK4 and freeing up the 197 for something else would be most welcome on this lovely bank holiday no doubt.
Perhaps it Will get swapped onto its diagram later ?
BillStampy
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Now allocated to swap into 1V42 down to Cardiff from Crewe
Realtime Trains | 1V42 1230 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central | 06/05/2024
Real-time train running information for 1V42 1230 departure from Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central on 06/05/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Fantastic!Now allocated to swap into 1V42 down to Cardiff from Crewe
Realtime Trains | 1V42 1230 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central | 06/05/2024
Real-time train running information for 1V42 1230 departure from Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central on 06/05/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
I notice the 11:25 From Cardiff to Holyhead and the 11:30 Manchester - Camarthen are both 2 car 197’s and reported full and standing from their origins. Hopefully that 3 car can be put to good use to relieve overcrowding elsewhere.
HD06 is now finally on its way, at about 5 days later than originally planned! It's now planned to be kept on the 04:54 from Crewe start for the next couple of days allowing it to be monitored, finishing at Crewe each evening.
Of the other sets, 67008 has moved from HD01 to HD02, 67025 is planned to head to Holyhead later to go onto HD05 which will then head to Canton tomorrow.
67014 should go onto HD01 which is stopped on Crewe for B exam with HD03 expected to stop on Friday for its exam.
HD04 should also be available from Thursday as the 6th 5 car rake.
Of the other sets, 67008 has moved from HD01 to HD02, 67025 is planned to head to Holyhead later to go onto HD05 which will then head to Canton tomorrow.
67014 should go onto HD01 which is stopped on Crewe for B exam with HD03 expected to stop on Friday for its exam.
HD04 should also be available from Thursday as the 6th 5 car rake.
That’s great ! Things seem to be looking up and we will hopefully manage to have 4 sets out fairly consistently.
Any idea when the last set will become a 5 car ?
Welshguy1048
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67012 and HD03 on 1W96 this evening
Welshguy1048
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Certainly looks better than the recent poor performance! Hopefully the spate of issues ends.
Not totally sure of what the plan is now to get HD05 done with regards to 5 car to be honest.
The latest plan I heard was its still planned to go but unsure of any timings, certainly was the aim to get HD05 to Canton tomorrow so if it doesn't go today potentially it could head down in the morning.
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