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Hello,

Does anyone here know which routes FiG ran in the Clydebank area around 1996-1999? I'm particularly interested in the local minibus routes that they ran at the time.

Lots of searching on Google and various other places hasn't given any results.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Under the 2000 Overground network the 40, 62 & 66 are shown as being the main services to Clydebank. Sadly i'm not the most familiar with the Glasgow network and it's history, so this is the best i can do! There does appear to be a 81 (Duntocher - Clydebank) & 82 (Faifley - Clydebank) though.

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Don’t know Clydebank very well, but when I was at school in the mid-90s I used to see the other end of the old 64/64a. At the time it was still a busy route and ran every 15 minutes from Carmyle to Dalmuir West then alternate journeys to either Mountblow or Old Kilpatrick. It’s a bit hazy now, but I think the 64a to Old Kilpatrick was part replacement for the KCB 5.

I’ve also got a hazy memory of First running an 82 and 83 in Clydebank with old London minibuses (F reg). No idea where they went, but did Glasgow Citybus maybe push them out with their 84?
 

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Don’t know Clydebank very well, but when I was at school in the mid-90s I used to see the other end of the old 64/64a. At the time it was still a busy route and ran every 15 minutes from Carmyle to Dalmuir West then alternate journeys to either Mountblow or Old Kilpatrick. It’s a bit hazy now, but I think the 64a to Old Kilpatrick was part replacement for the KCB 5

There used to be quite a few east-west services like that - the 11 and 42 (as well as the old Kelvin Scottish 5/5a) - but my memory is hazy and it could be that some of the numbers replaced others over the same section of route.

Under the 2000 Overground network the 40, 62 & 66 are shown as being the main services to Clydebank. Sadly i'm not the most familiar with the Glasgow network and it's history, so this is the best i can do! There does appear to be a 81 (Duntocher - Clydebank) & 82 (Faifley - Clydebank) though.

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Thanks for posting that - I was struggling to find a well scanned copy online a while ago.

Worth pointing out to anyone not around at the time that the criteria for being on the Overground map was very strict - so frequent corridors like the old 44 (now 4) didn't qualify as the Newton Mearns/ Eaglesham split meant more than one terminus and only routes that ran every ten minutes or better over the whole route qualified. There were frequent services from Abronhill to Killermont Street but these didn't qualify as there was more than one route in Cumbernauld. The 34 wasn't frequent enough to qualify too.

Some fairly frequent services have no direct replacement - e.g. the 16 and 18 in the north - and some corridors massively cut - e.g. the 20/41 to Drumchapel are now just the 6a - changed days!
 

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This is what I think happened. In the late 90s the M11 became the 81 and 82 which split in two at Chalmers Street with the 81 to Linnvale and the 82 to Whitecrook. The M3 changed to 83 and did a long and windy route from Clydebank to Partick via Drumry, Drumchapel, Knightswood, Anniesland, Gartnavel Hospital and Broomhill. There was also an 84, 85 and 86 but I cant remember what they did.
 

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Worth pointing out to anyone not around at the time that the criteria for being on the Overground map was very strict - so frequent corridors like the old 44 (now 4) didn't qualify as the Newton Mearns/ Eaglesham split meant more than one terminus and only routes that ran every ten minutes or better over the whole route qualified. There were frequent services from Abronhill to Killermont Street but these didn't qualify as there was more than one route in Cumbernauld. The 34 wasn't frequent enough to qualify too.

That would explain why the 204/205/216 express services to Dumbarton, Balloch & Helensburgh (unless they had different numbers in the 1996-1999 period; now part of The One set of services) are not there either.
 

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That would explain why the 204/205/216 express services to Dumbarton, Balloch & Helensburgh (unless they had different numbers in the 1996-1999 period; now part of The One set of services) are not there either.

True - they've been the one big success story in Glasgow over the last decade or so - huge improvement on that corridor (whilst some others have seen an "every ten minute or better" service cut back to every fifteen or so).

Same goes for the Lanarkshire services - despite the high frequency of the (e.g.) 240 - the Overground requirements were too high for a lot of frequent corridors to qualify for.

It was later dumbed down a little (and the 89/90 was put on the map, as a kind of orbital connection between the properly frequent radial routes), then the "every ten minutes" 18 became the "every eight minutes over the core route 16/18 (with Summerston/ Blairdardie cut back to only every fifteen, and the 57 extended to replace the 16 in Auchinairn).

Ah, the days when a barbie willow-leaf liveried bus would turn your head because of the novelty of such a modern vehicle (rather than because there are only a handful left in that old livery nowadays!)...
 

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The expressway services started with the X93 Drumchapel - knightswood to City which then went onto become X62 Clydebank - Scotstoun to City.
The balloch and helensburgh to Clydebank D4/5/6 services became 204/205/215 and replaced the X62.
There was also a short lived 217 from Duntocher to City via expressway.
Then it all became the one service.


Clydebank services I remember where
m3 to partick via Drumchapel knightswood gartnaval.
3 old kilpatrick to city via drumchapel, canniesburn and anniesland.
3a/21 Drumchapel loop to Clydebank
16a city - blairdardie to Clydebank
63 or 64?
62?
66?
11 parkhall?
51?
 

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True - they've been the one big success story in Glasgow over the last decade or so - huge improvement on that corridor (whilst some others have seen an "every ten minute or better" service cut back to every fifteen or so).

Same goes for the Lanarkshire services - despite the high frequency of the (e.g.) 240 - the Overground requirements were too high for a lot of frequent corridors to qualify for.

It was later dumbed down a little (and the 89/90 was put on the map, as a kind of orbital connection between the properly frequent radial routes), then the "every ten minutes" 18 became the "every eight minutes over the core route 16/18 (with Summerston/ Blairdardie cut back to only every fifteen, and the 57 extended to replace the 16 in Auchinairn).

Ah, the days when a barbie willow-leaf liveried bus would turn your head because of the novelty of such a modern vehicle (rather than because there are only a handful left in that old livery nowadays!)...
It - what is now The One set of services - was always a decent earner (even going back to the days when Alexander PS-bodied Volvo B10Ms held sway); it only really took off after the rebranding of Nov. 2012, the success of which eventually required deckers (Eclipse-bodied Volvo B9TLs) to be permanently allocated to Dumbarton depot (and even they sometimes struggle at the height of the rush hour!).

Aside from the 240, the only other City-Lanarkshire services that could really qualify at the time would be the 266 & 267, if I'm not mistaken?

Aye, and after a certain point, virtually every route (peak-time only routes included) appeared on route maps which also gradually become more geographically accurate with time. More informative, but a tad hard to keep on top of at times!

Aye, particularly the Wright-bodied stock of the period (Scania L113CRL/L94UB, Volvo B10BLE/B10LA etc); Barbie/Willowleaf looked real smart when freshly applied. Pity the livery has been reduced to a few rather down-at-heel B7Ls (the worst of the lot by a mile), Tridents and (sadly) B10BLEs. The Marshall-bodied Darts are all but extinct now. Not that I expected otherwise, but going out with a whimper is admittedly a bit of a shame.

The expressway services started with the X93 Drumchapel - knightswood to City which then went onto become X62 Clydebank - Scotstoun to City.
The balloch and helensburgh to Clydebank D4/5/6 services became 204/205/215 and replaced the X62.
There was also a short lived 217 from Duntocher to City via expressway.
Then it all became the one service.
Aye, that's right. At the back of my head, I knew about the X62 & X93 (the latter being a rather short-lived venture, run by early Pointer-bodied Dart SLFs); just couldn't remember the ins and outs of them. The 217 I also remember quite well, was effectively the 81 and the 2xx Dumbartonshire express services tagged together. Only ran in the peak periods by the end, if I remember right. Was withdrawn about a year (late 2011) before the launch of 'The One' brand.

62?
66?
11 parkhall?
Yep, these three served Clydebank at this time, the 62 being my local route from 1999/2000 onward. The 11 ran from Parkhall to Robroyston at the time, the 62 from Faifley to Baillieston & the 66 from Mountblow to East Kilbride (Calderwood).

The 62 (later the 2) is also the only one that's not been cut back in some way: the 11 firstly lost it's Clydebank-Parkhall section in the late 2000s; it started/finished at Clydebank Business Park for a period before being heavily truncated in the SimplCITY revamp, becoming the M11 and running merely to Gartnavel Hospital from Clydebank.

The 66 (later the 6) managed to retain it's Clydebank-Mountblow via Dalmuir section until October 2015, when it was replaced over that section by a new variant of The One (the 1D, in effect extended short 1s that ironically terminated at Clydebank Business Park, much like the 11 did). The 6 has terminated at the 11s old stop since then.
 
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More recently, there was a 42a that went (very slowly) from Antonine Park to Barlanark – was that replacing something else?

The One must have its origins in the old Central Smt 132/133. I’ve got a 1960s timetable showing a combined 6 min service at busy times – not bad when you think they couldn’t lift city passengers.
 

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Interesting stuff . The one services are popular and do offer a time saving if theres no delays on the expressway . I often see people changing at Scotstoun off 2 and 3 services onto them .
When you look at first glasgow routes theres only a handful of longer less frequent services , such as the 31,64 and 65 .
 

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Strathclyde's Buses had some interesting routes that travelled through Clydebank from the start of deregulation until 1993/94

7 Westcliff - Knightswood
11 Parkhall - Abronhill
58 Balloch - Burnside
62 Faifley - Petersburn
68 Milngavie - Glasgow Airport
 

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The expressway services started with the X93 Drumchapel - knightswood to City which then went onto become X62 Clydebank - Scotstoun to City.
The balloch and helensburgh to Clydebank D4/5/6 services became 204/205/215 and replaced the X62.

Interesting - I certainly remember the D4/5/6 but not the X93

Aside from the 240, the only other City-Lanarkshire services that could really qualify at the time would be the 266 & 267, if I'm not mistaken?

I think you are right but my memory is getting hazy for those times!

I'm not sure if this will be of interest to anyone (August 2008).

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That is fantastic - thanks Jordan!

I hadn't thought of the 1C as successor to the 42 (for example).

And it's great to see a few of the less frequent services still on the map (59/159 north of the river, rather than the short stump that the 59 now is)!

Cheers for posting it

11 Parkhall - Abronhill

Gosh - that rings a vague bell at the back of my mind - the 11 to Cumbernauld in the days when Strathclyde were competing with Kelvin Scottish... that must have been some long journey all the way from the far side of Cumbernauld to the far side of Clydebank... but this was probably around the time when Kelvin were running through services from Cumbernauld to East Kilbride (due to the depot shutting there?)... can't have been reliable for either operator !
 

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When did D4/5 switch over to the 204/205. D6 was alway 206 route within dumbarton area. When did X93 start? and when did the routes merge?
 

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What's it called? It's called Cumbernauld
I recall seeing a 51 that used to run between Clydebank and Easterhouse via Kilbowie Road, Drumchapel, Archerhill Road, Great Western Road, St Georges Cross, Charing Cross, Queen Street station, Royal Infirmary, Warriston Street, Cranhill (famous for the area of Glasgow where Malcolm and Angus Young from AC/DC are from), Queenslie Industrial Estate, and Easterhouse.

I believe this eventually got truncated to run between Glasgow and Easterhouse around 1999 before being withdrawn altogether (I think the route between Cranhill and Easterhouse may have been replaced by the 32 and 33).
 

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I'm not sure if this will be of interest to anyone (August 2008).

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This was around the time I started high school, so that is quite the flashback. Cheers for digging that up. Totally forgot that the 217 bypassed Whitecrook. Makes sense, given the 62/66/204/205/215/216 was ample enough for the Barns/East Barns St corridor.
 

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I recall seeing a 51 that used to run between Clydebank and Easterhouse via Kilbowie Road, Drumchapel, Archerhill Road, Great Western Road, St Georges Cross, Charing Cross, Queen Street station, Royal Infirmary, Warriston Street, Cranhill (famous for the area of Glasgow where Malcolm and Angus Young from AC/DC are from), Queenslie Industrial Estate, and Easterhouse.

I believe this eventually got truncated to run between Glasgow and Easterhouse around 1999 before being withdrawn altogether (I think the route between Cranhill and Easterhouse may have been replaced by the 32 and 33).

Remember using a 51 in late 2006 and i think it started from city centre . Withdrawn shortly after .
 

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This was around the time I started high school, so that is quite the flashback. Cheers for digging that up. Totally forgot that the 217 bypassed Whitecrook. Makes sense, given the 62/66/204/205/215/216 was ample enough for the Barns/East Barns St corridor.

I think the 11 bypassed whitecrook too .
 

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Interesting - I certainly remember the D4/5/6 but not the X93



I think you are right but my memory is getting hazy for those times!



That is fantastic - thanks Jordan!

I hadn't thought of the 1C as successor to the 42 (for example).

And it's great to see a few of the less frequent services still on the map (59/159 north of the river, rather than the short stump that the 59 now is)!

Cheers for posting it



Gosh - that rings a vague bell at the back of my mind - the 11 to Cumbernauld in the days when Strathclyde were competing with Kelvin Scottish... that must have been some long journey all the way from the far side of Cumbernauld to the far side of Clydebank... but this was probably around the time when Kelvin were running through services from Cumbernauld to East Kilbride (due to the depot shutting there?)... can't have been reliable for either operator !

59 is back in the hands of first yet mostly small and orange buses on it . Remember seeing deckers on the 59 .

Another one on the map is the 47 at Braehead which i dont recall and the x6a via Braehead , thought that had gone by 2008.

Through services from Cumbernauld to EK first ive heard that.
 

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And bit off topic but the 901x service to Largs , were McGILLS on them services too at that time ?
 

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Yes. There started competition against citylink around 2004? There was abus war with first on that route around 09?
 

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Yes. There started competition against citylink around 2004? There was abus war with first on that route around 09?

Just remembered i used McGills bus from Wemyss bay to Largsin april 2011 , was raging as McGills dont take the daytripper yet do take the zonecards . Was a B7L !
was it not DJ international who ran he so called citylink service s. Think first started to Largs in 09 using geminis , didnt last long.
 

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Hey, remember October 2006?

The 22 from Braehead to the City via SIlverburn and Shawlands?

That period when the 37 extended to Rutherglen? (the 37 used to be a pretty frequent service from Milton to Castlemilk before being merged with the 31 and the 31 becoming all that was left of it), First running to Johnstone (X6A), the 51 still running to Easterhouse (partly replaced by an extended 38), the 16 running to East Kilbride...

...and, since this thread is about Clydebank, the 11 terminating at Parkhall, the 11/42A still running cross-city (Robroyston and Garrowhill respectively), the Clydebank - Dumbarton services still being three digit ones... happy days!

Link >> http://ontheworldmap.com/uk/city/glasgow/glasgow-bus-map.jpg << Link

Another one on the map is the 47 at Braehead which i dont recall

The 47 is on the map I linked to - like the current day 57 - extended to Braehead when the 22 was withdrawn? Probably not for long though.

Through services from Cumbernauld to EK first ive heard that.

I might have this wrong, forgive me (I was living on the east coast at the time), but my memory is that the Central Scottish strike in Lanarkshire meant their East Kilbride depot was closed and (because Kelvin staff were on "revised" - i.e. lower cost - contracts) the Cumbernauld - Glasgow services were extended through to East Kilbride (70/80?) to try to keep the services viable - it's going back a long time though - this was probably around 1990?
 

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Hey, remember October 2006?
I might have this wrong, forgive me (I was living on the east coast at the time), but my memory is that the Central Scottish strike in Lanarkshire meant their East Kilbride depot was closed and (because Kelvin staff were on "revised" - i.e. lower cost - contracts) the Cumbernauld - Glasgow services were extended through to East Kilbride (70/80?) to try to keep the services viable - it's going back a long time though - this was probably around 1990?
Yes, this was following the closure of East Kilbride Depot and I recall the 36, 40 & 50 from Cumbernauld arriving in the city centre then starting it's next journey to East Kilbride (can't remember the service numbers although 70 rings a bell). I think one of the Kirkintilloch services did the same. It didn't last and the East Kilbride to city services ceased therefore the only routes that KCB provided in the town were from Motherwell, Hamilton etc like the 201 and 205.
 

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When did Avondale start running in Clydebank? They always seem like real survivors – most of the other small operators have long since disappeared.

When I was at uni in the 2000s there were small white minibuses from Partick to Faifley - think they were PD or PJ. They didn’t seem run to any timetable, just ran in front of the First 62. Guess VOSA caught up with them in the end…
 

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When did Avondale start running in Clydebank? They always seem like real survivors – most of the other small operators have long since disappeared.

When I was at uni in the 2000s there were small white minibuses from Partick to Faifley - think they were PD or PJ. They didn’t seem run to any timetable, just ran in front of the First 62. Guess VOSA caught up with them in the end…
Avondale was orginally formed as a partnership in the aftermath of deregulation in Inverclyde (precise date of formation unknown, but were certainly running in the mid/late 90s), running services around Greenock town centre. Said partnership was eventually split up (the Inverclyde ops ending up going to Slaemuir Coaches, themselves since gone to the wall) in the early 2000s, a new operating base was established in Clydebank (they currently work out of a depot in Yoker). Both the Clydebank & Inverclyde ops ran simultaneously for a time (to get the former ops established) before said split occurred properly.

I too, having been a local for over 15 years, been impressed by the way they just keep on going, defying the odds. Operating on a bare-bones basis (e.g, the blinds in some of the present Darts date from the time their fleet was almost entirely made up of various Merc breadvans) seems to work, plus their 4 routes, the 400 (from Partick to Drumchapel) in particular, seem to do well enough. Don't see them throwing in the towel just yet.

Both of those names (PD Travel & PJ Travel) are part of Clydebank's bus/transport history, but only PD competed with First (and McKindless for that matter) on the Faifley - Partick corridor. They also attempted to crack the 40 & 61 corridors too, with little success. Another company, DB Travel, also had a crack at it in the late 2000s. The vehicles I remember that last company using were Alexander Dash-bodied Volvo B6s. This venture also didn't last, McKindless outlasting them by quite a significant margin.

The 62 has been my primary bus route for all the time I've lived in Clydebank. In retrospect, it's amazing just how saturated the Faifley - Partick section of the route was just a decade or so ago. I know it's always been a busy corridor, but to have that many operators competing on it was never sustainable. McKindless somehow managed to carve out a decent earning on their 62 in the midst of it all, however. Pity they went to the wall the way they did, really...
 
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Since we are talking Clydebank history, can someone remind me of the route of the old Kelvin 5/5A? I know that one was Faifley (mirroring the 62) and the other Old Kilpatrick (presumably sticking to the Dumbarton Road, similar to the current "one" services)? But did they follow the same route from Clydebank into Glasgow? Which corridor were Kelvin competing on (62, 66 etc)?

(going further off topic, but it struck me as odd at the time that Kelvin and Clydeside made such big efforts to compete in Glasgow whilst Central Scottish seemed much more modest in the big city, despite Strathclyde taking the fight to them in places like Cumbernauld)

Yes, this was following the closure of East Kilbride Depot and I recall the 36, 40 & 50 from Cumbernauld arriving in the city centre then starting it's next journey to East Kilbride (can't remember the service numbers although 70 rings a bell). I think one of the Kirkintilloch services did the same. It didn't last and the East Kilbride to city services ceased therefore the only routes that KCB provided in the town were from Motherwell, Hamilton etc like the 201 and 205.

Interesting, cheers

(and great user name!)
 
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