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On the subject of competition, Paisley Road West is the longest battle I've seen between First and anyone else I think ever unless I'm forgetting something off of the top of my head.

I think First have always been pretty smart with the 9 into Paisley though. They've not wasted fairly new stock on it and even on a Sunday there's the odd E300 at most from my experience. It'll be interesting to see if the new buses going onto it does anything to take passengers away from McGills 38. They've managed to make McGills throw 12 buses an hour between Paisley and Glasgow at it without missing out on passengers.

When I've used the 9 into Paisley it's been fairly busy a lot of the time despite the stock on it.

I don't think it really is a battle in the olden days way. It's way less bused from the overground days when First had 9 running to Linwood much more frequently plus Dicksons and Arriva. First are down to every 12 minutes on the 9 to Paisley now.

The 38 at every 5 minutes does seem overkill and moving to 8 minutes is probably the best approach.

I’m surprised to hear that these buses will be getting a second lease of life. I didn’t think many other subsidiaries would want 15 year old buses.

Want might be one thing - get is another. They'd probably be fine if they got a spruce up - they've just had a hard life!
 
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It’s easy to forget just how much competition there was back in the 2000s. Dicksons, City Sprinter, McKindless, Coakley, Caledonia (and the rest) were all running frequent services head-to-head with First. Not only that, First themselves had a much larger fleet. It used to be normal for the whole city centre to come to a halt – either from Union St up the hill, or snaking round from Glassford St back via Ingram St to Queen St. City Sprinter used to specialise in blocking the stop in Union St – buses sitting there till they were full then another one pulling up.

That sort of chaos just doesn’t happen anymore – the worst delays seem to be round George Sq, and that’s because the road space has been reduced. Back in the day it was the buses that caused the congestion, now it’s all the cars coming into the city centre.
 

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First used to do this with a lot of routes with competition in the past, the 20 being one and the 75, 62, being examples of some others. The 75 was in competition at both ends at one point with the Milton-City Centre portion competing against McKindless and then the City Centre-Castlemilk portion had the Magicbus 175, I believe. I'm not too sure if these services ran around the same time right enough but also in competition with the 62 was the 162 by Magicbus that ran between City Centre-Baillieston section. You could say they get a little bit of competition down the Kilmarnock Rd corridor with Stagecoach's 4 running down to Newton Mearns and beyond as well.

First certainly don't have as much competition as they once did but as has been said when they do they tend just to try and flood the route with buses hoping they will win the battle, which probably 9 times out of 10 they do.
Ah Yes, MagicBus, that was Stagecoach in Glasgow’s old brand, with it’s origin going back to 1986 days, with the Route 19 (which was the Glasgow - Easterhouse Loop), I remember that they tried to compete with First back around 2006-2008, and ultimately pulled out in the end.
 

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I’m surprised to hear that these buses will be getting a second lease of life. I didn’t think many other subsidiaries would want 15 year old buses.
They may be 15 years old but that means they still have two years depreciation left on them.

Not suggesting or speculating where they could go but First Midlands still have older Scania Omnicities, e300s and some 19 year old Citaros knocking about, as do First West Yorkshire with some mature B7RLEs.
 

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I always liked the B7RLEs; they were great when new and miles better than the B7L toilet boxes.

They were run into the ground though and rattle like hell. Not to mention they have thread bare seats. They would have scrubbed up very smartly with a mid life refurb.
 
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I always liked the B7RLEs they were great when new and miles better than the B7L toilet boxes.

They were run to the ground though and rattle like hell not to mention they have thread bare seats. They would have scrubbed up very smartly with a mid life refurb.
Some B7RLEs have had seat re-trims (Examples are mostly on some of the SF55, WX55 plated ones).
 

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The 9 branded buses are moving elsewhere in the First Fleet and the former Manchester ones in service are moving elsewhere in the Glasgow fleet.
Do you have any proof of this? Because I wonder where they said that would happen?

Several dozen former 'A-class' Ailsas (or Alphas as some called them) lasted well into 2006 (all withdrawn by the summer of that year), all based at Scotstoun primarily for school work by the end fitted with seatbelts and crash-pads on top of the seats. And yeah, the very last ones in service carried A & B-regs; now-preserved A735 PSU was among these.

Also worth mentioning that 735 was one of only 2 Ailsas to carry Barbie 2/Willowleaf livery; B27 YYS (31221; ex-A126) was the other one. Images of both (both from the haley111 Flickr collection) dating from August (213) & May 2005 (221) linked below. The aforementioned crash-pads can clearly be seen on both vehicles.



As to the final point, a number of second-hand deckers were parachuted into the FiG fleet in the early 2000s.

Noted among these were ex-London Dennis Dominators, ex-Greater Manchester PTE Leyland Olympians, 10 ex-Hong Kong tri-axle Leyland Olympians (ex-China Motor Bus/New World First Bus) and a sole ex-Singapore Bus Services Volvo Olympian; both of the latter 2 had worked with Greater Manchester prior to flitting north. Four ex-Eastern Scottish Volvos (3 Ailsas and a sole B10M Citybus) also appeared within the same period. Linked below are two representatives of the first 2 examples (both taken by our own @awsnews), both images dating from June 2003. There may have been others besides these, but they were the ones that sprang most readily to mind.


That bus was K174 EUX, I think that it lasted till 2012 with Glasgow, shame it got scrapped though, it had a really an interesting history, having so many First Group operations after it was sent from Singapore.
It also got a model in the First UK Pennine livery it was in (and a 2nd Cancelled model that was going to based on it’s Glasgow version).
I remember riding it on the 9 a lot (even though I do remember one time where it broke down around Partick, and a Wright Fusion replaced it for the rest of the journey to Drumchapel).

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That bus was K174 EUX, I think that it lasted till 2012 with Glasgow, shame it got scrapped though, it had a really an interesting history, having so many First Group operations after it was sent from Singapore.
K174 EUX lasted in service until late 2010/early 2011 IIRC; was withdrawn after it caught fire at Anniesland Cross while working a 118 to Duntocher. Was dumped in the scrapline at Parkhead depot afterwards, languishing there well into 2013 (linked photo from the Sean Reilly Flickr stream proving this). While the damage was repairable in a purely practical sense, it's age - it would have turned 18 years old had it lasted to June 2012 for instance - coupled with it's mileage & it's non-standard nature, repairs couldn't really be justified financially.

 
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K174 EUX lasted in service until late 2010/early 2011 IIRC; was withdrawn after it caught fire at Anniesland Cross while working a 118 to Duntocher. Was dumped in the scrapline at Parkhead depot afterwards, languishing there well into 2013 (linked photo from the Sean Reilly Flickr stream proving this). While the damage was repairable in a purely practical sense, it's age - it would have turned 18 years old had it lasted to June 2012 for instance - coupled with it's mileage & it's non-standard nature, repairs couldn't really be justified financially.

Thanks for the clear up, such a shame though it caught on fire. I did remember it being one of the last Olympians in Glasgow Services (excluding the Dumbarton ones that lasted till 2014 or 2015).
 
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K174 EUX lasted in service until late 2010/early 2011 IIRC; was withdrawn after it caught fire at Anniesland Cross while working a 118 to Duntocher. Was dumped in the scrapline at Parkhead depot afterwards, languishing there well into 2013 (linked photo from the Sean Reilly Flickr stream proving this). While the damage was repairable in a purely practical sense, it's age - it would have turned 18 years old had it lasted to June 2012 for instance - coupled with it's mileage & it's non-standard nature, repairs couldn't really be justified financially.


IIRC VO5 was an absolute heap of a bus compared to other Olympians in the fleet.
 

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Thanks for the clear up, such a shame though it caught on fire. I did remember it being one of the last Olympians in Glasgow Services (excluding the Dumbarton ones that lasted till 2014 or 2015).
The last 2 Olympians in service (low-height R-Types 31435 & 31449 iirc) were withdrawn in late 2014/early 2015. There's every chance they worked out of Caledonia (opened October '14) after Larkfield shut, if but for a very brief time (linked images from the MSE062 and haley111 Flickr collections respectively).



IIRC VO5 was an absolute heap of a bus compared to other Olympians in the fleet.
Aye, it did seem to have a reputation for being the height of sheddery when compared to 'native' Olympians and especially the ex-SBL 'AH' B10M Citybuses it spent a good portion of it's Glasgow career working alongside. Points in it's corner for interest/oddball status nonetheless, least as far as us enthusiasts go!
 

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The last 2 Olympians in service (low-height R-Types 31435 & 31449 iirc) were withdrawn in late 2014/early 2015. There's every chance they worked out of Caledonia (opened October '14) after Larkfield shut, if but for a very brief time (linked images from the MSE062 and haley111 Flickr collections respectively).




Aye, it did seem to have a reputation for being the height of sheddery when compared to 'native' Olympians and especially the ex-SBL 'AH' B10M Citybuses it spent a good portion of it's Glasgow career working alongside. Points in it's corner for interest/oddball status nonetheless, least as far as us enthusiasts go!

I thought it was withdrawn from public use. 31435 was kept till early 2015 and it was at the Caledonia depot by then.

I wonder if they were scrapped or sent over to First Midland Bluebird for a short time, like most of Glasgow’s high floor fleet.
 

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Though it was withdrawn from public use, 31435 was kept till early 2015, it was at the Caledonia depot by then.

I wonder if they where Scrapped or sent over to First Midland Bluebird for a short time, like most of Glasgow’s high floor fleet.
That is actually one of my earilest bus photos of half-decent quality that you linked there. ;)

Funny how that photo is now one of my most historic in spite of it's so-so quality, given that 31435 was sold not long after I took it, virtually all the E500s had all been transferred north to Aberdeen by the end of 2015 and there's only one Plaxton President-bodied Dennis Trident left in the fleet (and it ain't 33040 lol). The Wright single-decker to the right of 33040 (a Axcess Floline-bodied Scania L94UB; all withdrawn from passenger service by the end of 2015) rounds the lineup out.
 

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That is actually one of my earilest bus photos of half-decent quality that you linked there. ;)

Funny how that photo is now one of my most historic in spite of it's so-so quality, given that 31435 was sold not long after I took it, virtually all the E500s had all been transferred north to Aberdeen by the end of 2015 and there's only one Plaxton President-bodied Dennis Trident left in the fleet (and it ain't 33040 lol). The Wright single-decker to the right of 33040 (a Axcess Floline-bodied Scania L94UB; all withdrawn from passenger service by the end of 2015) rounds the lineup out.
It’s a bygone era of First Glasgow.
 

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It’s a bygone era of First Glasgow.
Too right. If I had a time machine, this is (one of many!) periods I'd go back to armed with my much improved skills and camera equipment. So many subjects I wish I'd captured, but didn't. :/ But that is neither here or there in regards to staying relevent to the thread topic lol
 

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https://www.firstbus.co.uk/greater-glasgow/news-and-service-updates/news/uk’s-largest-bus-depot-can-charge-electric-buses-just

UK’s largest bus depot can charge electric buses in just four hours in national first | Greater Glasgow | First Bus
UK’s largest bus depot can charge electric buses in just four hours in national first | Greater Glasgow

First Glasgow completes Phase One of its green transformation with installation of state-of-the-art rapid charging units
22 new electric buses to arrive on site ahead of COP26
Phase Two of major works at Caledonia depot due for completion in summer 2022 to support 150 fully electric vehicles
First Bus, Scotland’s largest bus operator, is now able to fully charge buses in its growing electric fleet in just four hours as Phase One of a major works programme completes at what is set to be the UK’s largest Electric Vehicle (EV) charging hub.

Glasgow’s Caledonia bus depot has reached a key milestone in its green transformation plans with the installation of 11 advanced rapid 150kW dual cable charging units. This first phase of work has been completed ahead of a new batch of 22 electric buses arriving at the depot ahead of COP26, and marks a significant step forward in First Bus’ plans to have a zero-emission fleet by 2035.

With phased completion for the remainder of the work scheduled to take place across the next 12 months, the depot has been designed to accommodate and charge up to 300 EV buses on site - and will see the introduction of 150 electric buses over the next 18 months.

The state-of-the-art dual cable direct current rapid charging units have been supplied, installed and commissioned by Dutch rapid charging business Heliox, and have the power to charge a standard family car in less than 10 minutes*.

Each rapid charging station will be controlled via smart charging software to ensure that power is used in the most efficient way. This approach will help minimise the draw down from the national grid at peak times. The digital programming will also mean that each vehicle is fully charged, and the bus interiors are preheated, ready for drivers and customers from the moment the vehicles leave the depot.

With an additional 69 rapid chargers to be installed in Phase Two, Caledonia depot will soon be able to charge 162 vehicles at one time.
With embedded link this time

Also now with added quote - Mod ;)
 
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https://www.firstbus.co.uk/greater-glasgow/news-and-service-updates/news/uk’s-largest-bus-depot-can-charge-electric-buses-just

UK’s largest bus depot can charge electric buses in just four hours in national first | Greater Glasgow | First Bus

With embedded link this time
The new buses look smart.

I’m presuming like the current 9/9A branded B7RLEs - these buses will be seen across different routes operated out of Caledonia like any other normal bus? Surely as more and more electric stock enter the fleet it’ll be impossible to just keep them stuck on one route.
 

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The new buses look smart.

I’m presuming like the current 9/9A branded B7RLEs - these buses will be seen across different routes operated out of Caledonia like any other normal bus? Surely as more and more electric stock enter the fleet it’ll be impossible to just keep them stuck on one route.
Were already common on the no 6 route.
 

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First Glasgow need to hurry up with the night buses. Was out in Glasgow last night and had to wait ages for a taxi to Shawlands because there was no N38.
 

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Who said they’re even coming back in the first place?
Until there's no driver shortage there's zero chance of them coming back I think.

Today is the first day I've experienced issues with the 1s with a 1C and 1A both not showing so it looks like it's hit every depot now although I don't know about Overtown.
 

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I think the new E200EVs are visually the nicest looking buses First have had. The bigger wheels look so much better on the Enviro stock.

It’ll be nice to see more new buses around Glasgow and try and start ousting the B7RLEs/B7TLs.
 

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Just in case anyone can’t find any photos:
Not my photos
 

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Noted the following at Caledonia Depot this afternoon , all parked at the charging points :-

64101 LG71 DLF
64103 LG71 DLK
64105 LG71 DLO
64106 LG71 DLU
64108 LG71 DLX

Thanks to the English gentleman who is spendinga few days in Glasgow for his assistance in the identification of 64108.
 

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