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Tom Gallacher

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The very fact that the road has a dedicated panda crossing for that purpose does not affect the movement of people or their health and safety.
Yes there is a light controlled crossing but if you increased the number of people crossing there exponentially it would become problematic. Folks might be willing to wait for the lights to change if they are only crossing to the other side for local access but, if they are trying to catch a bus which is there, you know that some will ignore the lights and try to cross when it is patently unsafe to do. I just don't think that the council would approve of such a move just so that First could run double deckers on a particular route. It would only take one accident to cause outrage and, given the speed that I've seen some taxi drivers travel at on that stretch of road, it would be sure to happen.
 
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Don't know why First cant put low height deckers under Kilbowie bridge. They used Olympians under it not so long ago on the East Kilbride Mountblow service.
No they didn’t. The 6, when it went to Mountblow, went the route the 1D currently goes.
 

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NOT MY IMAGE

64142 is now in service, being the first of the 7/7A branded batch to enter service

 

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64142 is now in service, being the first of the 7/7A branded batch to enter service

I seen this pic yesterday and it's actually quite good to see a colour that works quite well. I'm surprised it wasn't used for branding earlier than now.
 
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I seen this pic yesterday and it's actually quite good to see a colour that works quite well. I'm surprised it wasn't used for branding earlier than now.
After visiting other cityscapes (Dundee & Edinburgh etc), I get that the colour coding identifies a route for passengers easily, but it also makes the uniformity of the buses look poor.

xPlore have branding yet their buses are all very similar in tone. Lothian has no branding, again everything is nicely uniform and distinctive.
 

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After visiting other city scapes(Dundee & Edinburgh etc), I get that the colour coding identifies a route for passengers easily but it also makes the uniformity of the buses look poor.

xPlore have branding yet there buses are all very similar in tone, Lothian has no branding, again everything is nicely uniform and distinctive.
Lothian have lots of different variations of their livery. Some buses are blue, some maroon and others are green. Literally all that’s different with First is the wedge of colour at the front.

I will say that the local livery idea is quite a nice idea but practically every bus needs to be repainted if it moves around the network which is very common in the First empire. I think it made more sense to have one big uniform livery.
 

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I prefer uniform livery to be honest especially when the buses don’t always operate on the routes it’s meant for anyway.

Lothian only have route branding for their airport buses now. There are some with branding for the electric vehicles but that’s not to do with a specific route. They do have Lothiancountry and EastCoastbuses but technically they are different subsidiaries and are not meant to have the Lothian livery.
 

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Branding - done well - can be very effective. Don’t think it’s a coincidence that some of the most forward-thinking companies are strong advocates. But Glasgow just seem to be incapable of getting the right buses on the right routes. Don’t know if it’s just the stress of getting so many buses out the depot every morning – ie. as long as the service runs, it doesn’t matter – but it seems to be happening even more when the services are reduced and the yards are full of spare buses. The 18 and 77 seem to be OK, but Caledonia are bad – the 61 branded buses turn up everywhere.

I know some folk think it doesnt matter, but i've overheard several people tell someone they need a red bus for East Kilbride or a blue bus for the Forge. Either do it well, or try something else. It's a bit late, but maybe they would have been better devising completely new liveries for Glasgow City (Caledonia/Scotstoun) and Lanarkshire & Dumbarton.
 

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Does uniformity matter in this case? The blue rear and stripe is, and will be, on every single bus, telling you it’s the same company, let alone First
 

Tom Gallacher

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Branding - done well - can be very effective. Don’t think it’s a coincidence that some of the most forward-thinking companies are strong advocates. But Glasgow just seem to be incapable of getting the right buses on the right routes. Don’t know if it’s just the stress of getting so many buses out the depot every morning – ie. as long as the service runs, it doesn’t matter – but it seems to be happening even more when the services are reduced and the yards are full of spare buses. The 18 and 77 seem to be OK, but Caledonia are bad – the 61 branded buses turn up everywhere.

I know some folk think it doesnt matter, but i've overheard several people tell someone they need a red bus for East Kilbride or a blue bus for the Forge. Either do it well, or try something else. It's a bit late, but maybe they would have been better devising completely new liveries for Glasgow City (Caledonia/Scotstoun) and Lanarkshire & Dumbarton.
You frequently get a No 2 branded bus on the No 3 service and vice versa. Very confusing when a good part of their route is shared. I've also seen buses branded for the 2 on the 6 service, again a route that is shared in part. It's shoddy management as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Branding - done well - can be very effective. Don’t think it’s a coincidence that some of the most forward-thinking companies are strong advocates. But Glasgow just seem to be incapable of getting the right buses on the right routes. Don’t know if it’s just the stress of getting so many buses out the depot every morning – ie. as long as the service runs, it doesn’t matter – but it seems to be happening even more when the services are reduced and the yards are full of spare buses. The 18 and 77 seem to be OK, but Caledonia are bad – the 61 branded buses turn up everywhere.

I know some folk think it doesnt matter, but i've overheard several people tell someone they need a red bus for East Kilbride or a blue bus for the Forge. Either do it well, or try something else. It's a bit late, but maybe they would have been better devising completely new liveries for Glasgow City (Caledonia/Scotstoun) and Lanarkshire & Dumbarton.
The route branding seems to be not too bad, very rear for anything other than a yellow bus to be on the 75
But see when a branded bus appears on another route(quite common with Saturday timetables or on a sunday) it is usually an pleasant upgrade to what that route usually had like ie a mint green 38 or yellow 75 bus appearing on the 4 or 5 or 10 etc

Got a green 2 bus on the 6 up to east kilbride, that seems pretty standard

The 65 branded buses seem to stray more now with the introduction of the electric buses, the 31 up to Carmunnock is a common place to find the 65 buses
 

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I got an E400 on the 77 after work there which makes a change but the X4,6,8 and 90 get buses from the 2 and 3 constantly. It's understandable with the cuts to frequency at the minute though so a bus actually running its full route is an achievement in itself. I seen a 3 around 8:30 this morning only operating to Scotstoun due to the driver shortage which is why I'm surprised any service is getting a boost next week.

There still seems to be cancellations here and there but less than pre-new year
 

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Sorry it was the old 66 route
In the Leyland Olympian days of the late 80s/early 90s it was the 66A that went to Mountblow via the low Kilbowie Road bridge. The 66B went up Kilbowie Road to Parkhall, and the 66 went only as far as Knightswood.

Those were the days!!
 

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In the Leyland Olympian days of the late 80s/early 90s it was the 66A that went to Mountblow via the low Kilbowie Road bridge. The 66B went up Kilbowie Road to Parkhall, and the 66 went only as far as Knightswood.

Those were the days!!
I mentioned this earlier in the thread. The 66 was diverted away from the low bridge and via Second Avenue around the time Overground was introduced.
 

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Replying to the post about 64142 (it would let me do it for some reason):

I‘ve seen that bus in Argyle Street recently.
 

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Replying to the post about 64142 (it would let me do it for some reason):

I‘ve seen that bus in Argyle Street recently.
looking forward to seeing more of them in service, but due to omicron right now, it's harder to deliver buses but should be seeing more EVs on the road soon
 

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In the Leyland Olympian days of the late 80s/early 90s it was the 66A that went to Mountblow via the low Kilbowie Road bridge. The 66B went up Kilbowie Road to Parkhall, and the 66 went only as far as Knightswood.

Those were the days!!
Yip, the Atlanteans, Olympians and Ailsas were great work horses. Today's deckers cant match them.
 
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Don't forget also the Volvo Citybus, which if I remember right were based at Knightswood and Parkhead garages.
Possil also had some Citybuses (or B10Ms if you want to be 100% accurate) parachuted in back in the mid-1990s IIRC, but yeah, they were new to Parkhead & Knightswood depots.
 
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Possil also had some Citybuses (or B10Ms if you want to be 100% accurate) parachuted in back in the mid-1990s IIRC, but yeah, they were new to Parkhead & Knighstwood depots.
From memory the decker was actually known as a D10M although, admittedly, it did share the same chassis number sequence as the B10M.
 

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From memory the decker was actually known as a D10M although, admittedly, it did share the same chassis number sequence as the B10M.

The Chassis was the B10M, there was no such thing as a D10M except in the minds of some enthusiasts. These are probably the same enthusiasts who think there was such a thing as a "Bristol" Olympian...
 

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In the Leyland Olympian days of the late 80s/early 90s it was the 66A that went to Mountblow via the low Kilbowie Road bridge. The 66B went up Kilbowie Road to Parkhall, and the 66 went only as far as Knightswood.

Those were the days!!
Was there not a bus that terminated on Beil Drive in Yoker? 62D I think it was
 

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From memory the decker was actually known as a D10M although, admittedly, it did share the same chassis number sequence as the B10M.
The Chassis was the B10M, there was no such thing as a D10M except in the minds of some enthusiasts. These are probably the same enthusiasts who think there was such a thing as a "Bristol" Olympian...
The D10M thing in relation to the Citybus was strictly unofficial (Volvo themselves never used it IIRC), although I have seen the B10MD code being used to refer to it more than once over the years, though I don't know if that one was ever official either.

Personally, I refer to the Citybus as follows: Volvo B10M Citybus. Simultaneously cuts to the chase and enables easy distinction between it and the rest of the B10M family.
 

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