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[route101]

I heard they were getting converted to diesel but that was well over a year ago now at least. Someone on here said they were stored at back of Scotstoun depot and they haven’t been touched. They’d be as well scrapping them if they weren’t going to do anything with them.

They have been off the road at least 2 years if not more. I did see one on the 6A in 2020.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Begs the question as to why they’ve been out of service so long then

I heard they were getting converted to diesel but that was well over a year ago now at least. Someone on here said they were stored at back of Scotstoun depot and they haven’t been touched. They’d be as well scrapping them if they weren’t going to do anything with them.

@Volvodart is right that the reason is cost but not certain if it’s as high as £100k. Conversion to euro VI isn’t cheap either.

If you scrapped them, you’d have 6 years of depreciation to take a hit on.

 

[PaulMc7]

Any changes planned for Scotstoun depot services given that Caledonia and now the Lanarkshire depot ran services have had one? I don't expect any frequencies to increase going by buses being missing each day plus I'd fully expect them to go down the Lanarkshire idea of hitting top frequency earlier but that being less frequent than prior.

The 201 and 241 are the most recent examples

 

[Volvodart]

There are changes coming that have been registered for April 10.

 

[PaulMc7]

There are changes coming that have been registered for April 10.

Just seen them now thanks. Lovely knowing literally every bus near me is about to change. Hopefully nothing too outrageous. I've noticed that they're on the website now too so will be checking them out.

 

[Joerf21]

Just seen them now thanks. Lovely knowing literally every bus near me is about to change. Hopefully nothing too outrageous. I've noticed that they're on the website now too so will be checking them out.

How do you obtain service changes, did not see it on the first glasgow app

 

[PaulMc7]

How do you obtain service changes, did not see it on the first glasgow app

It's on the service changes page on their website. They've been quite good lately with the timetable changes reflecting on the app though so when they kick in on the 10th I'd expect them to update quickly. Only been waiting since last summer on the cancellation feature on the app though so won't hold my breath

 

[Joerf21]

It's on the service changes page on their website. They've been quite good lately with the timetable changes reflecting on the app though so when they kick in on the 10th I'd expect them to update quickly. Only been waiting since last summer on the cancellation feature on the app though so won't hold my breath

Thats great thanks

 

[GusB]

It would actually be more helpful if whoever is reporting service changes could post the link to and provide a relevant quote from the original source. It saves others having to ask where the information has come from and reduces the need for unnecessary posts.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

There are changes coming that have been registered for April 10.

It would appear that amongst these "changes" are frequency reductions: the 2 is being reduced from every 10 to every 12 minutes, the 77 from every 10 to every 15 and the 81 from every 12 to an irregular every 15/20 minute frequency are ones I've noted thus far

 

[PaulMc7]

It would appear that amongst these "changes" are frequency reductions: the 2 is being reduced from every 10 to every 12 minutes, the 77 from every 10 to every 15 and the 81 from every 12 to an irregular every 15/20 minute frequency are ones I've noted thus far

Down to 1 an hour on a Sunday on the 8 and 16 too and the 77 is down to 1 an hour to the Airport on a Sunday and every 20 mins to Braehead

 

[Glasgowbusguy]

Down to 1 an hour on a Sunday on the 8 and 16 too and the 77 is down to 1 an hour to the Airport on a Sunday and every 20 mins to Braehead

Tbh is the 77 that busy on a Sunday between breahead and the airport
The cut to the 8 makes sense as the 8A also runs on Sunday between Maryhill and riddre and the 90 provides a link to partick interchange

 

[JumpinTrainz]

It would appear that amongst these "changes" are frequency reductions: the 2 is being reduced from every 10 to every 12 minutes, the 77 from every 10 to every 15 and the 81 from every 12 to an irregular every 15/20 minute frequency are ones I've noted thus far

I imagine the 2 will be in predominantly decker operated on a Sunday if it’s going down to every 12 minutes.

 

[PaulMc7]

I imagine the 2 will be in predominantly decker operated on a Sunday if it’s going down to every 12 minutes.

It's the midweek going to every 12 mins and the Sunday stays every 15 mins. To be fair lately even midweek I've seen more double decker 2s. I've also seen a lot of buses from the 2 on the 77 too

 

[JumpinTrainz]

It's the midweek going to every 12 mins and the Sunday stays every 15 mins. To be fair lately even midweek I've seen more double decker 2s. I've also seen a lot of buses from the 2 on the 77 too

Wow that’s probably the lowest frequency the 2 has ever had. Not sure the E300s will manage with that capacity. The 2 is a busy route and has been since the 62 days.

 

[Trnsprt4Sctlnd]

Wow that’s probably the lowest frequency the 2 has ever had. Not sure the E300s will manage with that capacity. The 2 is a busy route and has been since the 62 days.

Yup it would be ideal if longer wheel base deckers could be used on the 2 at a lower frequency

 

[Scott mac]

Wow that’s probably the lowest frequency the 2 has ever had. Not sure the E300s will manage with that capacity. The 2 is a busy route and has been since the 62 days.

If the 2 was as busy as you make out it to be, it would have had deckers on it all the time.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

If the 2 was as busy a u make out it to be it would have had deckers on it all the time.

With a frequency of every 6 minutes and new buses arriving roughly every few years at one stage (all singles) I think that says otherwise. As a daily user of the 2 and 62 I can vouch it’s one of the most used routes in the east end of Glasgow.

 

[Bus Lightyear]

I don't know if it is still the case but I'm led to believe the 62 (2) was the most profitable bus route in Glasgow for a number of years and it normally received new buses every 3-4 years.

Going back to Strathclyde's Buses days there was a number of variants which I can only imagine the average Joe struggled to get their heads around, 62-62A-62B-62C-62D-X62.

There was also some 62s which after arrival in Petersburn did a couple of runs on the Airdrie/Cotabridge local service 63 which ran from the beginning of deregulation until 1994 and competed with Central/Kelvin Central service 15.

 

[ScotRail158725]

If the 2 was as busy a u make out it to be it would have had deckers on it all the time.

The 2 is probably the busiest route in Glasgow if not in the top 3.

 

[Glasgowbusguy]

If the 2 was as busy a u make out it to be it would have had deckers on it all the time.

The 2 is definitely one of the busiest routes in Glasgow.

I don't know if it is still the case but I'm led to believe the 62 (2) was the most profitable bus route in Glasgow for a number of years and it normally received new buses every 3-4 years.

Going back to Strathclyde's Buses days there was a number of variants which I can only imagine the average Joe struggled to get their heads around, 62-62A-62B-62C-62D-X62.

There was also some 62s which after arrival in Petersburn did a couple of runs on the Airdrie/Cotabridge local service 63 which ran from the beginning of deregulation until 1994 and competed with Central/Kelvin Central service 15.

I remember the 62D as a kid; it was it not replaced by the 51.

 

[PaulMc7]

The 2 has always been a very busy service and I've used it constantly over the years. I get why it's gone to every 12 mins though as there aren't many days where there's a good few journeys missing. I expect more cuts to come again with how many journeys across the board are missing. It's even been affecting the 1s lately and Dumbarton seemed to be the least affected depot for months from my experience.

Lanarkshire is still a bit messy, Scotstoun based routes have been missing journeys each day and Caley seems very bad at the minute. The 7/7A, 38s, 57/57A, 60/60A and 75 especially seem to be a nightmare for journeys missing

 

[JumpinTrainz]

The point still stands in that if they are going to cut the frequency down to 12 minutes which I believe is the lowest frequency the route has ever had - it’ll need extra capacity in the form of deckers. However once again it sounds like more singles are on the way again in the form of Yutongs

 

[PaulMc7]

The point still stands in that if they are going to cut the frequency down to 12 minutes which I believe is the lowest frequency the route has ever had - it’ll need extra capacity in the form of deckers. However once again it sounds like more singles are on rthe way again in the form of Yutongs

It's been getting deckers from time to time anyway so it'll be fine I think. The problem is reliability with the 2. I've found lately that on a Friday especially there's 40 min gaps without one and the 3 is the same

 

[route101]

If the 2 was as busy as you make out it to be, it would have had deckers on it all the time.

Problem is there is not enough deckers to go around unless there was a big order.

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The 2 is probably the busiest route in Glasgow if not in the top 3.

The 2, 6, 38 and 75 are most useful routes. 6 being the quietest out of them. 38 to me is the most frequent.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

It's been getting deckers from time to time anyway so it'll be fine I think. The problem is reliability with the 2. I've found lately that on a Friday especially there's 40 min gaps without one and the 3 is the same

There’s definitely been a lot more deckers on the route since Covid. It can be a real mix up of B7TLs/B9TLs and E400s. I’ve noticed a lot more of 'the One' branded B9TLs on the route.

 

[92002]

Yup it would be ideal if longer wheel base deckers could be used on the 2 at a lower frequency

The route was cleared for bendy buses, then they got rid of thdm.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

The route was cleared for bendy buses, then they got rid of thdm.

The B10LA’s first arrived in 1999 and could be found on the 40, 61 and 62. They disappeared for a few years before returning to Glasgow on the 9 but as they were based at Scotstoun the 62 occasionally still saw them. There must be logic in First ordering predominantly single stock for the route. It’s seen deckers over the years but they’ve always reverted back.

 

[Glasgowbusguy]

The B10LA’s first arrived in 1999 and could be found on the 40, 61 and 62. They disappeared for a few years before returning to Glasgow on the 9 but as they were based at Scotstoun the 62 occasionally still saw them. There must be logic in First ordering predominantly single stock for the route. It’s seen deckers over the years but they’ve always reverted back.

Think it was singles as it was a very high frequency route but now with the driver issues the singles lack capacity

 

[Jordan Adam]

The reduction on the 2 most likely isn't permanent and is being done so they don't need to cut lesser frequent routes.

The thing to consider is that a round trip on the 2 takes exactly four hours, since it's on a high frequency a relatively minor frequency reduction can make significant savings. Currently the 2 operates every 10 minutes so theoretically requires 24 buses off peak, reducing it down to every 12 minutes reduces that number down to 20, thus saving 4 buses (and even more drivers per day) with very minimal impact to the service level. It's a much better solution than having to axe a low frequency route entirely.