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I noticed a good few of the E400EVs have been popping up on Kirky routes. It’s nice to see them stretch their legs on other territories. I didn’t think they’d go out that far but now with so many more E400EVs coming they probably don’t have a choice but to start branching them out.
 
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I noticed a good few of the E400EVs have been popping up on Kirky routes. It’s nice to see them stretch their legs on other territories. I didn’t think they’d go out that far but now with so many more E400EVs coming they probably don’t have a choice but to start branching them out.
I wonder if any have been up to East Kilbride yet.
 

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I knew West Coast Motors drivers covered the 49 for First but I didn't know that they sometimes used their own buses too. That's the 2nd time in about a month I've seen one and it's been their own bus being used. The one I was on was one of the orange buses SPT provide but the one that passed me was a West Coast Motors single decker.
 

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Yes they’ve been in EK when Caley done the 21. There is also morning specials on the 18 and 21 that Caley do and EVs are on them.
I must have not caught them. What is the reason for Caley to do those runs?
 
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Do multiple new drivers get trained on the same training bus on any given day now? I saw a training bus earlier with about 6 or 7 people on it. Between Scotstoun and Caledonia, I think I must have seen about 5 training buses today.
 
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Do multiple new drivers get trained on the same training bus on any given day now? I saw a training bus earlier with about 6 or 7 people on it. Between Scotstoun and Caledonia, I think I must have seen about 5 training buses today.
Mostly, but it will also be dependent on how many trainers they have available.

The more trainers they have, the less bodies they have to go onto a single vehicle.

When I did my training with them 13yrs ago there were only 3 of us on a bus at one given time. I do recall, however, that one of the guys who was on my training bus just couldn’t pick it up and there ended up being just 2 of us on one bus.
 
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Mostly, but it will also be dependent on how many trainers they have available.

The more trainers they have, the less bodies they have to go onto a single vehicle.

When I did my training with them 13yrs ago there were only 3 of us on a bus at one given time. I do recall, however, that one of the guys who was on my training bus just couldn’t pick it up and there ended up being just 2 of us on one bus.
Thanks for the information. Most of them I see have 4 at most but I was caught off guard by that one having so many. I suppose the good thing is that they're at least getting new people into the job. Keeping them in it will be the key thing.
 
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Thanks for the information. Most of them I see have 4 at most but I was caught off guard by that one having so many. I suppose the good thing is that they're at least getting new people into the job. Keeping them in it will be the key thing.
It’s only a day to day office exercise at First.

There will be no ultimate change of fate for them. There is a significant number of drivers I personally know who won’t ever go back and some have left after 30 years service from before First owned the operation.

The newer starts will be no different, I 99% promise most won’t last more than a few years.
 
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There's a new registration on VOSA for the 500.



  • PM0000001/310 Registered​

    FIRST GLASGOW (NO1) LTD
    Route: Glasgow Buchanan Bus Station to Glasgow Airport via City Centre
    Service number: 500
    Service type: Normal Stopping
    Effective date: 11 Dec 2022
 

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There's a new registration on VOSA for the 500.



  • PM0000001/310 Registered​

    FIRST GLASGOW (NO1) LTD
    Route: Glasgow Buchanan Bus Station to Glasgow Airport via City Centre
    Service number: 500
    Service type: Normal Stopping
    Effective date: 11 Dec 2022
Increase in frequency?
 

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Increase in frequency?
In the current situation I'd actually think it was going to be reduced if anything. The only other thing I can think of is that it becomes 24 hours again. It'll be interesting to see if any other changes are registered.
 

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Busy busy yesterday when I used the 263. The bus was full and standing by Cambuslang heading into the city. Luckily on the way back from Glasgow we had a MMC double decker, it still was packed though. A few 267s didn't turn up.
 
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The issue is that the range is better on these buses but Glasgow is due another 45 of the current E400EVs. Waste!
I absolutely agree.

The haste that First Glasgow has had into electrification so early doesn’t seem a sound plan when you consider that there was bound to be more suitable models particular in terms of there range, coming to the market.
 
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They needed the electric buses for the low emissions zone, as Glasgow was well behind other cities in respect of low/zero emission buses.
 
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They needed the electric buses for the low emissions zone
Euro6 diesels work for the Emission Zone; they didn’t need to be fully electric.

But I’m guessing at the time since the government was subsidising the cost of electric vehicles in tandem with the relatively low cost of electricity at the time it was a race for that specific funding to be grabbed.

If this were the case and they absolutely could not buy anything else that was diesel, Lothian Buses, for example, would’ve stopped buying diesel long ago.
 
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I am sure Glasgow Council would have wanted some zero emission buses for their Low Emissions Zone.
 

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They needed the electric buses for the low emissions zone, as Glasgow was well behind other cities in respect of low/zero emission buses.
I get that but committing to such a huge order of buses with a known lower range seems silly considering an improved variant came only a few years later. Even if they had committed to a smaller batch but 91 buses are due in total.
 

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For me, there are 3 main issues with the electric buses we have:

1) Lower capacity than the diesel options we have.

2) Extremely claustrophobic for passengers and not ideal for having people standing when all seats are taken.

3) Getting a full day out of them with the current range is very tricky.

Yes, it's good that the fleet is getting modernised so quickly but if passenger comfort is compromised then it's not good for keeping passengers.
 

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From what I can see these new E400EVs have improved capacity downstairs than the current ones. They also look like they’ve reverted back to the shape of the E400MMCs which I prefer.

I think Glasgow will no doubt see these to start ousting the older B9TLs. I wonder if Lanarkshire and Glasgow local services will see any E100EVs.
 
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For me, there are 3 main issues with the electric buses we have:

1) Lower capacity than the diesel options we have.

2) Extremely claustrophobic for passengers and not ideal for having people standing when all seats are taken.

3) Getting a full day out of them with the current range is very tricky.

Yes, it's good that the fleet is getting modernised so quickly but if passenger comfort is compromised then it's not good for keeping passengers.
Yes, the E200EVs do look on the smaller side.

As for the E400EVs, not noted anything different. I haven't sat downstairs on one.
 

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Yes, the E200EVs do look on the smaller side.

As for the E400EVs, not noted anything different. I haven't sat downstairs on one.
The back seats downstairs on the E400EVs are very awkward and difficult to get out of when there are other people beside you.

The E200EVs have just 1 less seat than an E300 but they feel incredibly squeezed in by comparison.
 

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The back seats downstairs on the E400EVs are very awkward and difficult to get out of when there are other people beside you.

The E200EVs have just 1 less seat than an E300 but they feel incredibly squeezed in by comparison.
From my experience, yes, those E400EV are not ideal during peak times when the buses are busy. I am on them pretty much every day as I get the 75 to college so I tend to sit upstairs
 
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For me, there are 3 main issues with the electric buses we have:

1) Lower capacity than the diesel options we have.
A problem with a poorly designed BYD chassis limiting the versatility of the interior build, if your asking me that’s a huge problem with the existing 400EV.

2) Extremely claustrophobic for passengers and not ideal for having people standing when all seats are taken.

3) Getting a full day out of them with the current range is very tricky.
Absolutely, several times when I was on the 9 bus boards had to be cut short because simply they weren’t getting the claimed range but they also don’t have the drivers available to swap buses out, around 10-20 miles of range shorter than is needed in most cases.

It is happening on other routes as well with 200/400EVs.

Yes, it's good that the fleet is getting modernised so quickly but if passenger comfort is compromised then it's not good for keeping passengers.
We can all debate on what to call it, Personally I would only agree to disagree that many things at First Glasgow have been a hash-bash affair, not thought through before making on long term decisions.
From what I can see these new E400EVs have improved capacity downstairs than the current ones. They also look like they’ve reverted back to the shape of the E400MMCs which I prefer.

I think Glasgow will no doubt see these to start ousting the older B9TLs. I wonder if Lanarkshire and Glasgow local services will see any E100EVs.
The article does state that the 100EV is only a 8.5m bus, that is suitable for something like the Station Link 398 but most routes are unsuitable for a bus of that size, even in lanarkshire, perhaps a small SPT route would be ideal but I’ll be betting that the 100EV is an expensive bus so much so that it makes bo sense to divest a huge amount of money onto a small electric bus when the payback is poor.
 

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