Think that could be called joined up thinking in modern parlance.
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It's all rather awkward to be honest. I understand why it was done, but it's not really 'simplicity'.
6/6A don't really share all that much route, unlike say the 9/9a. The 38s all seem unnecessary too.
On a aside I notice on the network maps it shows the 9 route in Paisley as left onto Mill Street, right onto Causeyside Street and then High Street / Gauze Street. Is this an error - are they still terminating outside the Job Centre on High Street and turning via New Street / Storie Stree?
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Eventually all routes will go electric so they’ll need to install charging points at Scotstoun, Blantyre, Overtown and Dumbarton. I’m not sure how it’ll work with longer routes in terms of range but for the time being I think it’ll only be Caledonia routes. I imagine the 60/60A, 61, 10, 57/57A etc will see all the new deckers.
It would be nice to see a mix of electric singles and deckers for the 2. It’s a busy route and hasn’t had new buses in a few years now.
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Something that I keep noticing….
Every time I drive past Caledonia, the yard is full of vehicles. Makes sense since we’ve had reduced frequencies since late summer. But the oldest buses are still seeing regular service and afaik the only buses to have left the fleet are the Gemini’s that went to Cornwall and the Volvos that were replaced by the new electrics. So First Glasgow *appears* to have far more vehicles that it needs with more new vehicles due throughout 2022. The chances of the frequencies increasing before the new buses arrive would appear to be close to zero – even if the passengers were there, they don’t have the drivers. I’m sure there is carefully worked out cascade plan – could they not start to implement it now and get some of the excess vehicles off the books?
Also – for those that actually use the buses – are they coping with the reduced frequencies? I’ve seen some very busy buses, but haven’t seen anything about full buses leaving folk behind.
Every time I drive past Caledonia, the yard is full of vehicles. Makes sense since we’ve had reduced frequencies since late summer. But the oldest buses are still seeing regular service and afaik the only buses to have left the fleet are the Gemini’s that went to Cornwall and the Volvos that were replaced by the new electrics. So First Glasgow *appears* to have far more vehicles that it needs with more new vehicles due throughout 2022. The chances of the frequencies increasing before the new buses arrive would appear to be close to zero – even if the passengers were there, they don’t have the drivers. I’m sure there is carefully worked out cascade plan – could they not start to implement it now and get some of the excess vehicles off the books?
Also – for those that actually use the buses – are they coping with the reduced frequencies? I’ve seen some very busy buses, but haven’t seen anything about full buses leaving folk behind.
The 2 tends to have had buses missing in the morning every day mid week except today and it's been either full or very close to it as a result whereas as there's so many 1s in the morning a lot of them are dead when I'm heading to work on a 2 from what I see.
Was in a 1 convoy heading to town on the M8, during the diversions. With 4 single deck and 1 double all within 100 yards of each other. Could probably have been covered by the double deck easily.
What driver shortage.
The ideal thing to do would probably do would be Dumbarton to Balloch/Helensburgh same frequency then run a bit less between Dumbarton and Glasgow. 6/7 buses between Clydebank and Glasgow would be fine at the minute IMO. The peak ones in the morning that start at Old Kilpatrick/Clydebank are mostly very dead too I've found.
So could probably cut down on the single decks and put in a double instead. Less buses. Less drivers and more room on the roads for somebody in their electric car.
Unless First find a way to get drivers in and keep them then we are heading that way regardless. Wage increase and same wages across all depots is a start for everyone but whether it would be enough is another thing.
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53860/3/4 for Larbert, only getting repainted in Glasgow
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Glasgow should have kept them as I assume they’ll be Euro 6. Then cascade some darts over to Larbert instead.
Oh OK, that makes sense, most First Group buses in Scotland get re-painted there.
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But Glasgow has enough SPT Solo SRs already though, so they aren’t in high demand here.
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How did I predict the Wright Eclipses moving to Dumbarton?
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2 of those you listed went to Dumbarton….
cnjb8
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Those Solos are owned by SPT so can’t be used by First Glasgow on their commercially. Someone will tell me if I’m wrong
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Yeah, it’s not a great success rate - 2/9. And Eclipses were always going to be the replacements
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According to bus times, 53710 YJ09 OUS made an appearance on the 57A last Sunday.Those Solos are owned by SPT so can’t be used by First Glasgow on their commercially. Someone will tell me if I’m wrong
Would make sense. Christmas would be a good time for them if they were ever to make money..
Is it an enhanced night rate? Might be attractive to a few drivers
I'd imagine it would have to be pretty decent to attract them. I remember back a few years when I used to go out a driver jokingly said it was quite good money to do but they never mentioned an amount ofcourse.
I remember back a few years too when you'd get a bus around 8am and it would never change driver but now there's a 3 and my normal 2 that both do it at Scotstoun every morning now. It shows how flexible First are having to be just to keep some drivers.
I can see this timetable change when it finally happens being a big shock to people when they see the cuts needed because of how many drivers they're short.
When I did night duties at First Glasgow, you got a cut of the fare takings. I can’t remember what it was but it wasn’t a lot - 5p for every £, I think.
The more attractive thing with night duties was that you got every second weekend off, unlike the “normal” rota which worked 6 out of 8 Saturdays and 3 out of 8 Sundays.
I’m going back 10-15 years so it may well be different now.
The more attractive thing with night duties was that you got every second weekend off, unlike the “normal” rota which worked 6 out of 8 Saturdays and 3 out of 8 Sundays.
I’m going back 10-15 years so it may well be different now.
It really shows the decline in bus use at night when a lot of buses don't even have a final journey after midnight out of the City Centre now. Even with the 2 there used to be an extra journey after the last one nowadays and even with that cut it's still one of the best services in terms of late running.
I'm surprised given how much it's declined over the years that the last 4 from Broomhill is just before midnight still and it gets to Mearns Cross at 1am.
I'm surprised given how much it's declined over the years that the last 4 from Broomhill is just before midnight still and it gets to Mearns Cross at 1am.
Ideally the last service out from the City should be around 1am. The 44 used to have night service strangely enough. The City bound night services are long gone now.
If it means reducing frequencies off peak I'd try to push the boat out both ways so we have buses getting into the city centre just before 5am and leaving around 1am to be honest. It could certainly work on certain routes imo.
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Heard a few whispers that the E400EVs will be used on the 75 with the current branded buses being used elsewhere on the network. Also routes 10 and 61. E200EVs for the 7/7A.
Is the 10 still interworked with the 57? I know the routes were split so they were no longer 10/57 between Arden & Silverburn. If so do we think the EVs will be on the 57 as well if whispers are true?