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[Spsf3232]

If they are broken on route then they must be changed over asap as they can't run without one due to the low bridge alert system. It will also depend on what has failed as the vehicle only needs a working screen to leave the depot. Printer or card reader isn't required

 

[lastbus]

If they are broken on route then they must be changed over asap as they can't run without one due to the low bridge alert system. It will also depend on what has failed as the vehicle only needs a working screen to leave the depot. Printer or card reader isn't required

bus can still run whilst it awaits a change.

 

[LT02 NVV]

Ive seen, and im sure others here will have too, buses with broken ticket machines in service plenty of times

Yes, that’s why I was asking how they keep a log of it really.

 

[AndrewTaylor95]

13 Wright Double decks on order for the 500 but should they not win the contract they will be modified for normal Service use, Seen this on a Facebook group, wether that's true or not we'll wait and see.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

13 Wright Double decks on order for the 500 but should they not win the contract they will be modified for normal Service use, Seen this on a Facebook group, wether that's true or not we'll wait and see.

There are currently only 10 airport E400City’s at present so increasing to 13 seems a strange move when Glasgow Airport is so quiet now not to mention not all of the ten buses see service every day.

Glasgow have also predominantly ordered BYD/ADL stock in recent years so it would be odd to see them now opt for Wright buses again. Once the B9TLs go it’ll only leave a small number of Wright Streetlites in the Glasgow fleet.

 

[Blindtraveler]

These are presumably electric so the additional numbers will allow them to swap any out that go flat and perhaps the vehicle they've ordered is more suitable for the airport work given it's motorway based etc

 

[Volvodart]

13 Wright Double decks on order for the 500 but should they not win the contract they will be modified for normal Service use, Seen this on a Facebook group, wether that's true or not we'll wait and see.

Would they not just provisionally order them due to the time taken for them to come, so that they can be cancelled if they do not win the contract which will be known relatively soon? They would have to pay the full cost of the electric buses as no funding is available, so the contract is likely to be needed for them to afford the buses.

 

[LT02 NVV]

There are currently only 10 airport E400City’s at present so increasing to 13 seems a strange move when Glasgow Airport is so quiet now not to mention not all of the ten buses see service every day.

Glasgow have also predominantly ordered BYD/ADL stock in recent years so it would be odd to see them now opt for Wright buses again. Once the B9TLs go it’ll only leave a small number of Wright Streetlites in the Glasgow fleet.

I think that they might increase service frequency times possibly, since that’s why they might need more buses.

Plus, Glasgow Airport is also busy around the Winter Holidays & Spring Easter Season too, not just the Summer Holidays.

 

[ScotRail158725]

There are currently only 10 airport E400City’s at present so increasing to 13 seems a strange move when Glasgow Airport is so quiet now not to mention not all of the ten buses see service every day.

Bear in mind they’ll need charged especially with it being a 24 hour route, capacity is lower aswell compared to the diesel wright counterpart

 

[LT02 NVV]

Bear in mind they’ll need charged especially with it being a 24 hour route, capacity is lower as well compared to the diesel wright counterpart

I guess it would be since it needs at least one luggage rack too.

 

[cnjb8]

I guess it would be since it needs at least one luggage rack too.

The capacity would be lower in an electric Wright with luggage racks then a diesel Wright with luggage racks

 

[92002]

I guess it would be since it needs at least one luggage rack too.

Was on a 500 earlier that left still with some seats but not enough room for the vast amounts of luggage. So perhaps more luggage space being provided with less seating. Meaning more vehicles needed.

 

[Ewan M]

13 Wright Double decks on order for the 500 but should they not win the contract they will be modified for normal Service use, Seen this on a Facebook group, wether that's true or not we'll wait and see.

Don’t suppose anyone knows when we’ll find out whether or not First will retain the 500?

 

[ScotRail158725]

I guess it would be since it needs at least one luggage rack too.

I mean in general they have 6? seats less than a diesel counterpart without luggage racks

 

[Stef434]

There are currently only 10 airport E400City’s at present so increasing to 13 seems a strange move when Glasgow Airport is so quiet now not to mention not all of the ten buses see service every day.

Glasgow have also predominantly ordered BYD/ADL stock in recent years so it would be odd to see them now opt for Wright buses again. Once the B9TLs go it’ll only leave a small number of Wright Streetlites in the Glasgow fleet.

No more orders from ADL for the foreseeable future due to ongoing action between First Group and ADL

 

[computerSaysNo]

No more orders from ADL for the foreseeable future due to ongoing action between First Group and ADL

What action is this? Have they had a disagreement?

 

[JumpinTrainz]

No more orders from ADL for the foreseeable future due to ongoing action between First Group and ADL

I wasn’t aware of any issues between the pair given Glasgow has been receiving only ADL stock since the Wright Streetlites back in 2014.

It would be a welcomed change for variety purposes to see some Wright or Yutong buses for Glasgow.

 

[Blindtraveler]

My guess is that there's either a dispute on warranty issues or mileage delivered by there. Large fleet of electrics versus what was actually advertised to them at the point of purchase, or they've simply suddenly seen the light and realised that anything built by ADL is falling to bits by the time it reaches its new depot,

 

[Noddy1]

If there is a problem with ADL products why are other Bus Groups e.g. Stagecoach, NX West Midland, Blackpool; Reading among others happy to order large amount of vehicles from ADL? Surely their engineers management , can all have been taken in by ADL sales pitches? IMfmGirst other than in Scotland has favoured Wright for years apart from time of 2012 Olympics and 2014 Commonwealth Games. If First and other Groups prefer to order from other manufacturers that's their call. To criticise ADL for lack of quality is a bit unfair I have seen brand new RmEectroluners broken down before now and what about the wonderful Streetdecks and Streetlites hmn. ... Or would those criticising prefer First to order buses from Egypt and China at the potential loss of Scottish and British jobs.

 

[Blindtraveler]

If I was ordering buses in any quantity it would be Volvo's Mercedes and utongs exclusively with nothing else ever being considered. But that's really an off topic for this thread

 

[JumpinTrainz]

I had hoped Scotstoun’s order of electrics would have been Yutongs instead of more E200EVs - their range is far superior.

The B9TLs are ageing so hopefully we hear about a new order shortly.

 

[AndrewTaylor95]

No more orders from ADL for the foreseeable future due to ongoing action between First Group and ADL

There's a new E400EV in the new First livery going about, was spotted up Kincardine way 2 weeks ago on a Test run

 

[LT02 NVV]

67845 is now in the new livery, apologies for the photo, had to take it quick.

 

[Noddy1]

As I partly predicted in my last post ADL has today announced 160 jobs are under threat across 8 divisions including Falkirk and Larbert . Just ŵhat people in that area want to hear following the news about Grangemouth yesterday because of a perceived unfair playing field owing to foreign manufacturers allegedly undercutting ADL. Well done First Group fir supporting China rather than Scotland with their order for over 100 Yutongs. Oh they may okay not be better buses that is subjective and probably personal opinion but itveould be good to see First Group and other Scottish companies supporting a Scottish manufacturer. I can almost guarantee that China and other National Governments subsidise their bus manufacturers and have cheaper labour costs. I wonder how many ADL and other British manufacturers have had orders from China and other countries. Almost certainly not China as they have tough trade barriers to protect their industries.

 

[AB93]

Oh they may okay not be better buses that is subjective and probably personal opinion

I don't think buying and running 200 of them leaves much room for subjectivity and personal opinion vs. real life experience.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

As I partly predicted in my last post ADL has today announced 160 jobs are under threat across 8 divisions including Falkirk and Larbert . Just ŵhat people in that area want to hear following the news about Grangemouth yesterday because of a perceived unfair playing field owing to foreign manufacturers allegedly undercutting ADL. Well done First Group fir supporting China rather than Scotland with their order for over 100 Yutongs. Oh they may okay not be better buses that is subjective and probably personal opinion but itveould be good to see First Group and other Scottish companies supporting a Scottish manufacturer. I can almost guarantee that China and other National Governments subsidise their bus manufacturers and have cheaper labour costs. I wonder how many ADL and other British manufacturers have had orders from China and other countries. Almost certainly not China as they have tough trade barriers to protect their industries.

I guess it will be very telling when the time comes to announce a new fleet order for Glasgow who have favoured ADL since about 2010. Sad though for the people who’s jobs are at threat

 

[Stef434]

As I partly predicted in my last post ADL has today announced 160 jobs are under threat across 8 divisions including Falkirk and Larbert . Just ŵhat people in that area want to hear following the news about Grangemouth yesterday because of a perceived unfair playing field owing to foreign manufacturers allegedly undercutting ADL. Well done First Group for supporting China rather than Scotland with their order for over 100 Yutongs. Oh they may okay not be better buses that is subjective and probably personal opinion but itveould be good to see First Group and other Scottish companies supporting a Scottish manufacturer. I can almost guarantee that China and other National Governments subsidise their bus manufacturers and have cheaper labour costs. I wonder how many ADL and other British manufacturers have had orders from China and other countries. Almost certainly not China as they have tough trade barriers to protect their industries.

How do you think First Group felt when they were show casing their new electric buses with COP26 delegates seated inside and getting water pissing down on them ,let’s say ADL were not fast at solving or engaging with First,it’s not surprising they are still in dispute with ADL.
Wrighbus were quick to resolve an earlier issue surrounding the wrong push bells(a braille issue)ok it cost them 80m in lost orders but they engaged with First and resolved the problem.No one is privately surprised they turned to Yutong and kept ordering from Wrightbus

 

[JumpinTrainz]

The new generation ADL E400EV looks incredibly smart in the new livery as well. It would be nice to see them in and around Glasgow.

 

[AndrewTaylor95]

The new generation ADL E400EV looks incredibly smart in the new livery as well. It would be nice to see them in and around Glasgow.

Personally would like to see Wright Streetdeck Electroliners for a bit of variety, BYD stuff is utter guff and thankfully they don't have them in production anymore with ADL. The build quality is an absolute shambles, every part of the bus shakes as soon as you hit potholes, the E200EVs in particular, E400EVs not so bad.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Personally would like to see Wright Streetdeck Electroliners for a bit of variety, BYD stuff is utter guff and thankfully they don't have them in production anymore with ADL. The build quality is an absolute shambles, every part of the bus shakes as soon as you hit potholes, the E200EVs in particular, E400EVs not so bad.

On top of that there’s the new Yutong product which down South are getting which is interesting. I believe the range is better on them than the ADL stock so could open them up to Lanarkshire/longer routes.