First Group: General Discussion

[mic]

lots of transfers to FGM Queens Rd before the take over are seening all 14 reg E400s and streetlite maxs moving there with older buses moving the other way also FGM have given up service 149 and 415 and lost the 353 and 354 on tenders to a new smaller firm in the area

 

[Jordan Adam]

lots of transfers to FGM Queens Rd before the take over are seening all 14 reg E400s and streetlite maxs moving there with older buses moving the other way also FGM have given up service 149 and 415 and lost the 353 and 354 on tenders to a new smaller firm in the area

I'll laugh if those Enviro400's eventually end up with First Glasgow.

 

[mic]

I'll laugh if those Enviro400's eventually end up with First Glasgow.

this was down to Go a head saying they would not take really old buses so oldham and Bolton will end up with B7 single decks and may be some B9s doubles

 

[CM]

I'll laugh if those Enviro400's eventually end up with First Glasgow.

He says in his post the Enviro 400s are moving to Go Ahead at Queen's Road so it's very doubtfull that they'll ever end up at FiG...

 

[Jordan Adam]

He says in his post the Enviro 400s are moving to Go Ahead at Queen's Road so it's very doubtfull that they'll ever end up at FiG...

Ahh yes, i keep forgetting what's happening with what depots in Manchester. However my comment was more light hearted than anything.

 

[KendalKing]

lots of transfers to FGM Queens Rd before the take over are seening all 14 reg E400s

Its NOT all 62 14-reg'd Enviro 400's. It's only the 27 currently allocated to FGM.

 

[mic]

Its NOT all 62 14-reg'd Enviro 400's. It's only the 27 currently allocated to FGM.

where in my post did i say 62 buses i meant the FGM ones and their streetlite maxs

 

[winston270twm]

Its NOT all 62 14-reg'd Enviro 400's. It's only the 27 currently allocated to FGM.

Are the 27 x 14 plate E400's all coming from OM?

 

[Blackpudding]

Are the 27 x 14 plate E400's all coming from OM?

33831-33845/57 from Bolton and 33846-33856 from Oldham Winston.

 

[winston270twm]

33831-33845/57 from Bolton and 33846-33856 from Oldham Winston.

Cheers!

 

[mic]

33831-33845/57 from Bolton and 33846-33856 from Oldham Winston.

33854 still at Oldham today as was 33856 on Monday

 

[Blackpudding]

33854 still at Oldham today as was 33856 on Monday

Thanks 'mic'. I think the majority still have to move?

 

[mic]

Queens Rd so far got 33846/47/50/55 streetlite maxs 63147/49 to 53 not sure what has gone to Oldham in their place apart from one i do know has gone to the latter is 66865

 

[Blackpudding]

Queens Rd so far got 33846/47/50/55 streetlite maxs 63147/49 to 53 not sure what has gone to Oldham in their place apart from one i do know has gone to the latter is 66865

Just to add to this mic, Queens Road have also got 33841/44 from Bolton and 33848/51/53 from Oldham, Versa Yellow School buses 49230 from Oldham and 49231 from Bolton. they replace 49213/20 which have gone to Bolton and Oldham although I don't know which has gone where.
Optare Solo Hybrid 59002-08 are in reserve. Optare Solo 53065 is off fleet at Queens - it may have moved to Oldham?
In addition to Volvo B7RLE 66865 mentioned in your message 66846/64/72/73/80/92 and Volvo B9TL 37444/46/48/49 have also moved, probably to Oldham.
As can be seen from above the problem is not knowing what has moved to Queens but what has moved to Bolton/Oldham.
At the moment the fleet at Queens is 177 against a pvr of 145 and a Go North West authorisation of 165. Discounting the like for like swaps more vehicles should move out of Queens than in.

 

[mic]

Just to add to this mic, Queens Road have also got 33841 from Bolton and 33844/48/51/53 from Oldham, Versa Yellow School buses 49230 from Oldham and 49231 from Bolton. they replace 49213/20 which have gone to Bolton and Oldham although I don't know which has gone where.
Optare Solo Hybrid 59002-08 are in reserve. Optare Solo 53065 is off fleet at Queens - it may have moved to Oldham?
In addition to Volvo B7RLE 66865 mentioned in your message 66846/64/72/73/80/92 and Volvo B9TL 37444/46/48/49 have also moved, probably to Oldham.
As can be seen from above he problem is not knowing what has moved to Queens but what has moved to Bolton/Oldham.
At the moment the fleet at Queens is 177 against a pvr of 145 and a Go North West authorisation of 165. Discounting the like for like swaps more vehicles should move out of Queens than in.

33844 was at Bolton not Oldham with regards to 53065 i think it might be off fleet all together as Oldhams solos might be aswell as they lost 2 tender contracts that used them i will be in oldham on Saturday so can report more then 66873 never left Oldham 59006 never seen since those services changed

 

[Blackpudding]

33844 was at Bolton not Oldham with regards to 53065 i think it might be off fleet all together as Oldhams solos might be aswell as they lost 2 tender contracts that used them i will be in oldham on Saturday so can report more then 66873 never left Oldham 59006 never seen since those services changed

Ha! So it, 33844, was. I should know better. I agree with you about the Solo's. 53146 is already out of MOT and I suspect that's the end of it.

 

[mic]

i have seen Quack77 fleet list and according to that there are only 4 single decks moving to Oldham plus a load of B9s but with me i only belive it when i see it with my own eyes but the list did say 37444/46/48/49 so will look out for these first

 

[Blackpudding]

Reading about the background of Ryan Mangold here
https://otp.tools.investis.com/generic/regulatory-story.aspx?newsid=1259394&cid=858 as Chief Financial Officer from the end of this month could be relevant to the direction the company intends to take.

 

[In Focus]

Reading about the background of Ryan Mangold here
https://otp.tools.investis.com/generic/regulatory-story.aspx?newsid=1259394&cid=858 as Chief Financial Officer from the end of this month could be relevant to the direction the company intends to take.

On that kind of salary and pension fund you would hope it will be significantly relevant to the company moving forward.

 

[Blackpudding]

On that kind of salary and pension fund you would hope it will be significantly relevant to the company moving forward.

Ha! Isn't that stating the obvious?

 

[In Focus]

Ha! Isn't that stating the obvious?

It certainly is , you started it though

 

[Blackpudding]

It certainly is , you started it though

Ha! I don't think I did but I'll concede that one!

 

[In Focus]

Ha! I don't think I did but I'll concede that one!

quite decent of you my good friend

 

[overthewater]

Reading about the background of Ryan Mangold here
https://otp.tools.investis.com/generic/regulatory-story.aspx?newsid=1259394&cid=858 as Chief Financial Officer from the end of this month could be relevant to the direction the company intends to take.

What do you think he will end up doing?

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

What do you think he will end up doing?

I would imagine that these were what caught the OP's eye

"During that time Ryan played an integral role in the transformation of Taylor Wimpey’s financial profile, which included the sale of its North American assets, improving the balance sheet to investment grade and restructuring its pension liabilities."

Perhaps importantly, he was instrumental in getting a business that almost went under in 2008 (and a business that lost 98% of its market capitalisation) to robust health.

What that actually translates to in practical steps with the board of directors, we will have to see.

 

[overthewater]

That sounds like something big would have to be sold off.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

That sounds like something big would have to be sold off.

What “sounds like something big would have to be sold off”?

 

[overthewater]

What “sounds like something big would have to be sold off”?

Ryan didn't turn Wimpey around with a magic wand.

the sale of its North American assets, improving the balance sheet to investment grade and restructuring its pension liabilities."

All three of those things are clearly linked, he got a major cash boost from it, of $955m (£593m)

 

[CM]

Ryan didn't turn Wimpey around with a magic wand.


All three of those things are clearly linked, he got a major cash boost from it, of $955m (£593m)

Just because he sold part of Taylor Wimpey doesn't automatically mean he's going to sell part of First Bus.... Building houses and operating buses/trains are two completley different and unrelated things.

 

[overthewater]

First has a pension fund deficit of around £430M, that was reported in November, there is no money for major investment let alone share dividend. Something will have to give unless First can double profits everywhere?