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First Group: General Discussion

david16

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Not all of the 51 plated London wrecks are bad. A minority of the ones Glasgow got which have been refurbed are actually not that bad. The lower end of the 330XX lot ie, 33023 and the higher end 33094 are just an example of a conversion and refurb done right...

It's ridiculous that ones with the centre doors still intact can get cascaded around.

The centre doors outwith London don't ever get used as an exit. A barrier superglued to the door with a message which reads "This is not a door" is truly awful. And many have been unrefurbished with the moquette looking very faded indeed.

They are still remaining in service with First Group so why don't all of them get refubished with the centre door removed as standard before getting cascaded.

Larbert Road depot of First Scotland East always receives the cascaded double deckers with the centre door still intact and firm seats.
 
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Sounds like that guy might get his wish after all. I cant remember this name, the one who wanted to split the company in two.

Thomas Sandell (Sandell Asset Management)
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FGP trading update doesn't seem that bad. :o


Trading Statement
FIRSTGROUP PLC - Trading Statement
PR Newswire
London, April 1

2 April 2014

FIRSTGROUP PLC

PRE-CLOSE TRADING UPDATE

FirstGroup plc ("FirstGroup" or the "Group") reports the following update on
trading for its financial year ended 31 March 2014 ("the period" or "the
year"), ahead of preliminary results due to be announced on 21 May 2014.

Summary

• Overall operating profit in line with expectations for the year, excluding
£14m impact of unprecedented weather conditions on First Student and Greyhound
in the fourth quarter

• First Student progressing plans to improve contract portfolio pricing,
returns and deliver further cost savings

• First Transit maintains its record of growth and margin performance

• Greyhound - underlying improvement in demand and profitable expansion of
Greyhound Express continues

• UK Bus - transformation plan progressing and delivering sustainable
improvements in key metrics

• UK Rail delivering solid revenue growth underpinned by continued passenger
volume increases

• As previously indicated, net cash flow expected to be broadly flat for the
year (excluding the proceeds of the rights issue)

First Student

First Student's performance was adversely impacted by the abnormal weather
conditions which swept across North America from December and continued into
March. US Dollar revenue is expected to be reduced by 1.8% for the year as
widespread snow storms, coupled with record low temperatures, led to an
unprecedented amount of school closures. Most of our operations were affected
with over 4,000 school days lost across 75% of our territory, and we incurred
higher associated operating costs. As a consequence, our operating margin for
the year is expected to be approximately 1% below the levels previously
indicated in our Q3 interim management statement. As detailed at our investor
day in January, we are working through our programme to meet our medium term
targets, which includes addressing contract portfolio pricing, focusing on
higher returning opportunities and driving further cost efficiencies through
the business.

First Transit

First Transit delivered another year of strong trading, with like-for like US
Dollar revenue growth expected to be over 7% and margins in line with
expectations. Our strong credentials and expertise in delivering efficiencies
for customers continue to be rewarded with new business wins and a contract
retention rate of around 95%.

Greyhound

Greyhound's overall US Dollar revenue is expected to be 2.9% lower for the
year, reflecting the impact of severe weather which caused significant
disruption to the network. Excluding weather, like-for-like revenue in the
fourth quarter of the financial year is expected to be approximately 2.1%
higher, in part reflecting modestly improving economic conditions. Greyhound
Express continues to perform well with anticipated like-for-like revenue
increasing by over 10% for the year. We are on track with our investment
programme, which will transform our offering principally through greater yield
management, real-time pricing and more consumer friendly ticketing. This
focused investment, together with the continued growth of our successful
point-to-point products, gives us confidence in achieving our medium term
margin target of 12%.

UK Bus

Like-for-like passenger revenue growth is expected to be 1.8% for the year,
with good passenger volume growth. This encouraging performance is despite the
continued challenges posed by economic conditions in some of our local markets.
We continue with our step-by-step plan to reposition the business through
network design and fares structure improvements, further cost optimisation, and
investment in fleets and technology. Over the medium term, this repositioning
will allow us to raise margins to double digit levels. We were pleased to
receive validation by Passenger Focus of our efforts to improve the quality and
value-for-money of our services in their recent survey of bus passengers across
the UK.

UK Rail

UK Rail continued to perform well during the year, with like-for-like passenger
revenue expected to increase by 5.9%, underpinned by continued strong volume
growth across all of our train operating companies. We worked closely with our
industry partners to mitigate the effects of severe weather and flooding on
parts of our network and ensure that services resumed as quickly as possible.
In March, the Department for Transport commenced a review in respect of a
longer direct award with First Great Western, to cover the significant
programme of works taking place across the network over the coming years.

Exceptional items

The Group has reviewed its treatment of exceptional items, in particular costs
associated with UK Rail bids and certain property disposals. As a result, we
will include these items in our measure of underlying results in the financial
statements for the year ended 31 March 2014.

Commenting, Tim O'Toole, Chief Executive said:

"We have made satisfactory progress on our key priorities in the year, with
good performances in four of our divisions partially offset by slower progress
in First Student, where we have a detailed programme underway to reposition the
contract portfolio, increase returns and drive further cost efficiencies. We
will deliver earnings growth this year, albeit suppressed by the historically
severe weather, particularly in North America. We are broadly on track to
achieve our medium term targets and while we are encouraged by the progress
made so far, there remains a significant amount of work ahead. Our priorities
are clear and plans are underway to build on our market-leading positions and
ensure the Group delivers sustainable cash generation and value creation over
the plan period and beyond."
 

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£14m hit from US weather leading to a 1% fall in combined US margins. UK company revenue flat despite a near 6% increase in rail passengers and rises in bus passengers.

Its a broadly OK result, no signs of improvement but no serious setbacks.
 

winston270twm

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£14m hit from US weather leading to a 1% fall in combined US margins. UK company revenue flat despite a near 6% increase in rail passengers and rises in bus passengers.

Its a broadly OK result, no signs of improvement but no serious setbacks.

It certainly looks as though it is going to be a long, hard slog for First Group to get back to anywhere near the profits it once enjoyed. It does look as though the crunch could come if First Group indeed loose any of it's big UK rail franchises
 

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But they are trying to improve so lets hope something positive comes of it, they are investing quite a lot in FGW in order to improve and try and keep hold of it!
 

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Nowhere near enough to a Pacer :(
I think iether way there will be changes following the ScotRail award. If they retain it then I can see
any
inclination they have left to do things with FSE disappearing leaving it open to Sale or closure. If they dont then I think that may give them the push needed to give much of there Scottish Bus opperation a good shake and see what comes of it!

Retaining FGW is clearly important to them, FCC+TSGN less so. Winning East Coast will be good for the customer but maybe not the cash cow they want it to be, its to be hoped there memories are long enough to remember NatX. ↲
 

Polo Mint

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I hardly doubt that fierce competition on some routes in Manchester would have any serious impact on the financials of FirstGroup plc. In the end I think First and Stagecoach will reach a compromise situation and things will go back to normal as they will continue to co-exist.

I think it is a difficult for First with the rail situation, with few franchises being given (WCML on hold), and First has the potential to loose a few franchises as well. Whatever happens it looks like Ed Miliband wants to nationalise rail services, so in the long run things don't look too good.
 

Robertj21a

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I hardly doubt that fierce competition on some routes in Manchester would have any serious impact on the financials of FirstGroup plc. In the end I think First and Stagecoach will reach a compromise situation and things will go back to normal as they will continue to co-exist.

I think it is a difficult for First with the rail situation, with few franchises being given (WCML on hold), and First has the potential to loose a few franchises as well. Whatever happens it looks like Ed Miliband wants to nationalise rail services, so in the long run things don't look too good.


I very much doubt that Milliband will be in position to influence anything !

Robert
 

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In Buses magazine Giles Fearnley refers to a mystery company that First wanted but would not have been allowed to buy. I reckon it could have been CentreBus West Yorkshire, which went over to full Arriva ownership renamed Yorkshire Tiger instead.

To digress, I wonder whether First going Hell for Leather has encouraged Arriva to go for more e-leather seating on their latest orders?
 

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In Buses magazine Giles Fearnley refers to a mystery company that First wanted but would not have been allowed to buy. I reckon it could have been CentreBus West Yorkshire, which went over to full Arriva ownership renamed Yorkshire Tiger instead.

The mystery company could also have been McGill's
 

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Nowhere near enough to a Pacer :(
and if we disregard the mess they made of certain aspects of Thameslink last time round lets hope that the TSGN Keys are handed to them again. I would also like to see them retain Southeaston but know im in a minoritty here and also wonder if the CC would let this happen, given they also hold and I would guess are likely to keep LM?↲
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Back to topic anyone got any further news on how Livingston plan making ends meet when 43 comes off and how its been doing compared to 40/40a?↲
 

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The mystery company could also have been McGill's

Indeed, McGill's may have been willing to sell up, as they hoped to raise £80m from a sale, and Go-Ahead went out of their way to announce they were not buying McGills.

Go-Ahead could pip FirstGroup to Thameslink franchise, says Merrill

http://www.theguardian.com/business...r/07/go-ahead-firstgroup-thameslink-franchise

This would be the first instance of a company regaining a rail franchise, as GoVia originally ran Thameslink (without Great Northern) in 1997-2006.

Looking at potential First disposals, and in this Buses interview he mentioned places gaining new vehicles where he felt it suited the routes, such as in Weymouth. Such areas seem unlikely to be divested, and I sincerely doubt any "Giles-spec" vehicles will be sold as part of any such deals for the foreseeable future.
 

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Poor is the only good word.

Note that the First Scotland East website only refers to the withdrawal of the 43 under the service details for the West Lothian area for the Easter weekend.

"Services 43/X4/X43: On Good Friday only a bank holiday timetable will operate. No service on Easter Monday as being withdrawn on the 20 April 2014."

Yet again First Scotland East make a mess of something so simple - surely the withdrawal of the 43/X43 is worth an item to itself instead of hiding it away under the Easter service changes? And you wonder why First have such a poor reputation in West Lothian... :roll:
 

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And what is the 'bank holiday' timetable anyway? In the past FSE followed Lothian in running a Saturday service on the 43 on certain holidays (not all 'bank holidays'), as they are doing on most other routes in the area this weekend. I guess they mean a Sunday service.
 

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Slightly off topic but i looks like Diamond could be pulling the plug on Kidderminster and Redditch especially if what we have been hearing from their drivers in Worcester is true.
 

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Noticed that on 22nd April Lothian are launching a service 43 between Waterloo place and Barnton, shadowing the FSE 43. Wonder why they're holding back from running all the way to south queensferry.
 

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Slightly off topic but i looks like Diamond could be pulling the plug on Kidderminster and Redditch especially if what we have been hearing from their drivers in Worcester is true.

Can't see that happening. What is being suggested?

Diamond have won the tender for the KR 1 from Whittle's from 2nd June & are also revising the 3/X3 (route & timetables) & 142/143 (timetable) for the same date.
 

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Noticed that on 22nd April Lothian are launching a service 43 between Waterloo place and Barnton, shadowing the FSE 43. Wonder why they're holding back from running all the way to south queensferry.

Is more just a statement of intent against Stagecoach - i.e should Stagecoach decide to get expansionist again, Lothian will retaliate.

It's also so Lothian are in a better position with regards fares into Edinburgh - I believe their flat fares work out cheaper for most of the journey.
 

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Is more just a statement of intent against Stagecoach - i.e should Stagecoach decide to get expansionist again, Lothian will retaliate.

It's also so Lothian are in a better position with regards fares into Edinburgh - I believe their flat fares work out cheaper for most of the journey.

The Lothian 43 won't be competing with the FSE 43 as the FSE service stops after this weekend.
 
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overthewater

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Whats even stranger, its been reported, Lothian are allowing Stagecoach to park buses in one of the depots.

When it comes to FSE, we'll just have to wait until the Autumn, to found what will actually be done with the company. Are we any closer to finding out what if any new buses are being sent to the company?
 

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Dont read too much into the Merril prediction, they based it on which winner would be the best politically for the government, not on the merits of their bids.
 

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http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/latest_news/?id=011311

First UK Bus Announces Changes to Senior Divisional Structure

Wednesday 16 April 2014


First UK Bus today confirmed some changes to its senior divisional structure as it continues to strengthen its customer focus and empower its local leadership teams.


From 21 April, two Regional Managing Directors will report to UK Bus Managing Director, Giles Fearnley. Dave Alexander currently Regional Managing Director (North) will have his role extended to cover Scotland and the North of England (Manchester plus North, South and West Yorkshire). Neil Barker, currently Regional Managing Director (Scotland) has been appointed to lead Wales and the South of England (including Bristol and Avon; Hampshire, Dorset and Berkshire; the South West; Midlands; Eastern Counties; Essex; and Aircoach). Under this new divisional structure the Chief Operating Officer (COO) role is no longer required and as planned, COO Jeroen Weimar left the Group on 9 April.


Managing Director of First UK Bus, Giles Fearnley, said: “Since we launched our Better Journeys for Life promise at the beginning of 2012, we have been pushing forward with our transformation programme and focusing particularly on improving our performance in terms of service delivery, customer satisfaction and driving volume growth. The appointment of Managing Directors to our local businesses is key to our strategy, enabling us quickly to adapt to new challenges and get close to our customers and the communities we serve.


“We are now moving to the next stage in our plans for adapting our senior divisional structure to ensure we give the correct support to our Managing Directors under this new business model, as they take responsibility for driving these businesses forward with their local leadership teams.”


He continued: "Jeroen Weimar has driven the first phase of our transformation programme in his role as COO. We always envisaged that once the first phase was completing we would transition to a structure led by two Regional Managing Directors, fully accountable for service performance. Jeroen has bought enormous energy and focus to our transformation programme over the last two years and I would like to thank him for the significant contribution he has made in changing our business model to focus more closely on customers. We all wish Jeroen well for the future."


Jeroen Weinar added: “I am very proud to have been a part of our transformation of First UK Bus over the last two years. It has been a hugely exciting time and very rewarding to see the local teams seizing the opportunities to drive their businesses forward. I wish all the First UK Bus teams well as they continue to deliver Better Journeys for Life.”
 

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So rather than having in effect three (one North, one Scotland and a supervisor covering Wales/south) they will now in effect have two. Its a demotion of Scotland within the business however they dress it up.
 

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Are we any closer to finding out what if any new buses are being sent to the company?

Hope this helps

First Bus orders & allocations for 2014

33831 – 33857 ADL / E400’s for Rusholme
33858 – 33872 ADL / E400’s for Sheffield
33873 – 33890 ADL / E400’s for Bramley
44600 – 44636 ADL / E200’s for Ravenhill
47466 – 47481 WB Streetlite’s for Tameside
47482 – 47492 WB Streetlite’s for Doncaster
47493 – 47500 WB Streetlite’s for Huddersfield
47501 – 47506 WB Streetlite’s for Gt. Yarmouth
47507 – 47518 WB Streetlite’s for Worcester
47519 – 47528 WB Streetlite’s for Hadleigh
47529 – 47534 WB Streetlite’s for Scotland East
47535 – 47543 ? Not ordered ?
47544 – 47558 WB Streetlite’s for Bath
47559 – 47571 WB Streetlite’s for Hengrove
47572 ? Not ordered ?
47573 – 47594 WB Streetlite’s for Hoeford
47595 – 47612 WB Streetlite’s for Southampton
47613 – 47617 WB Streetlite’s for Scotland East
47618 – 47628 WB Streetlite’s for Parkhead
49901 – 49912 Optare Versa’s for York
53501 – 53509 Optare Solo’s for Hoeford
53510 – 53515 Optare Solo’s for Weymouth
63119 – 63145 WB Streetlite’s for Sheffield
63146 – 63156 WB Streetlite’s for Rusholme
63157 – 63160 WB Streetlite’s for Scotland East
63161 – 63170 WB Streetlite’s for Hadleigh
63171 – 63180 WB Streetlite’s for Leicester
63181 – 63189 WB Streetlite’s for Weymouth
63190 – 63192 WB Streetlite’s for Slough
63193 – 63218 WB Streetlite’s for Aberdeen
63219 – 63223 WB Streetlite’s for Scotland East
63224 – 63240 WB Streetlite’s for Blantyre
64994 – 64997 Van-Hool A330’s for Aberdeen
 
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