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Flight to Germany on Large Jet

Discussion in 'Other Public Transport' started by Masboroughlad, 24 Jul 2018.

  1. jamesontheroad

    jamesontheroad Established Member

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    Due to bad weather one day a few years ago, Aer Lingus cancelled the first two flights from Manchester to Dublin. They took some initiative though, and quickly rostered one of their A330-200 for a new flight. I knew to ask politely for a seat up front, as they declassified international business class too. A very comfy thirty minute flight.
     
  2. Shaw S Hunter

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    Jet2 is an interesting case: it's a LCC which has become quite heavily involved in the package market. We have to assume that the seasonal use of a single A330 makes financial sense for them.

    Similarly to Jet2 Thomas Cook have 2 Air Tanker A330s on lease but they seem to be used exclusively on their ever-growing TATL network from MAN. Thomas Cook do however have an A330 on lease from HiFly Malta which is being used on Canaries/Med flights.

    TUI on the other hand, at least for the summer, are operating in a decidedly old-school manner with their 787s being used seemingly indiscriminately on both long-haul TATL routes and also Canaries/Med routes from a wide variety of regional airports (including DUB!) to an almost bewildering selection of European destinations. During the winter I suspect they will be concentrated on the long-haul runs including the likes of Goa and Phuket.

    To get back on topic back in the day Cathay's Manchester flights used to route via a variety of European airports, definitely including Amsterdam and Paris but possibly also Frankfurt and Zurich, and I'm pretty sure they had full fifth freedom rights on these. Air India used to fly A310s from Mumbai via Delhi to Manchester via Rome but I'm not sure whether the latter was purely a technical stop.

    Someone mentioned other TATL "extensions"; both United and Air India used to route their New York/Delhi and/or Mumbai flights via Heathrow. I suspect
    that these flights had fifth freedom rights. Indeed the United flights once formed part of a round-the-world itinirary: did United hold fifth freedom rights for all legs?

    On the Irish front at one time during the run-up to Christmas BA did send the occasional 747 to Belfast
     
  3. Dentonian

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    Cathay did indeed route MAN flights via Frankfurt and iirc, Zurich as well. I've been on organised trips utilising the AMS, CDG & FRA stops during the first half of the 1990s.
     
  4. route101

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    Hainian 787 EDI to DUB is fifth freedom too
     
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    Good catch on that. Recent news shows, unfortunately, that the frequencies are reducing for the winter period. Perhaps jump on it while you can!
     
  6. atillathehunn

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    Thanks for the correction on Thomas Cook there, I hadn't realised there were multiple leases going on.

    It will surely make sense for Jet2 as I believe they expanded their A333 operation this year (stand to be corrected) and you are right, they are an odd operator, a bit in between everything. However, people I know who've flown them appear happy. Good luck to them.

    TUI - I believe they vary their routes quite a bit according to the season. Their 787 seems to pop up all over the place, including from Bournemouth to Barbados on cruise charters as well as Manchester - various holiday islands. I assume with the Med being more popular in the summer than the Caribbean I assume they can still benefit on the longer Med routes from the efficiency vs the weight penalities.

    747 to Belfast would be interesting! I believe Virgin operate a seasonal 747 in to/from Orlando, but that appears to be the largest thing in there by a long way.
     
  7. James James

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    I believe United's LHR-BRU was actually a return LHR-BRU, operated primarily in order to retain a temporarily unneeded slot at LHR.
     
  8. AlterEgo

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    Can you think of many *short haul* configured widebodies traversing intra-Europe routes?

    The BA 767s are retiring over the next few months and they are the only examples of a legacy airline I can think of. A handful of charter operators run seasonal A330/767 flights around and about.

    Long haul widebodies - plenty of them:

    Aer Lingus: DUB-AGP/FAO A330

    LATAM: FRA-MAD 787

    Finnair: LHR-HEL A330/350

    Iberia: MAD-LHR A330/340/350

    Air Europa: LGW-MAD A330, BCN-MAD A330, MAD-LPA 787 (there will be more too)

    TAP: LIS-VIE A330

    Austrian: Variable intra Europe from VIE with 767 (FRA is common)

    Hainan: DUB-EDI A330/787

    Ethiopian: OSL-ARN 787

    BA: LHR-MAD 777

    Sichuan: PRG-ZRH A330

    Swiss: GVA-ZRH 777


    Just off the top of my head.
     
  9. Bletchleyite

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    Not many - indeed, LHR-Madrid is the only one I knew of before (as I've used it) that wasn't just a one-stop long-haul like that Singapore example. The A321 tends to be used a lot more for that purpose these days - including in the USA, the land of the domestic widebody flight.
     
  10. atillathehunn

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    I have no direct evidence to support this, but I would think due to its size there are more domestic configured widebodies and narrow bodies which are more 'kitted out' (cf: JetBlue Mint suites on A321(?)).

    Ethiopian flies with widebodies between quite a number of European airports, but apart from Oslo and Stockholm they don't have traffic rights.

    Don't see anybody using short-haul configured widebodies beyond that. Long-haul configured will surely continue, with operators from the east seemingly adding new. I think AA just introduced Philadelphia - Prague - Budapest recently, I think A333. Not sure about traffic rights, but would seem unlikely.
     
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    Don't forget Japan. The 500+ seated 747s may be a thing of the past but still plenty of smaller widebodies on domestic routes. And as the economy grows it may well happen in China depending on how quickly their HSR network is expanded.
     
  12. atillathehunn

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    I wrote ambiguously, sorry: I meant within Europe.

    The US, Japan, China, and AUS/NZ will surely continue the trend given the distances and the dominance of hub and spoke in the US in particular.
     
  13. thejuggler

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    My only 777 flight was Penang to Singapore.

    About 90 minutes with no more than 30 PAX, but a belly full of IBM computers.
     
  14. Shaw S Hunter

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    Given the potential of the the A321LR/B737MAX9 it's quite possible that wide-bodies on US domestic flights, with the possible exception of some routes to/from Hawaii, could become distinctly unusual in the not too distant future given the US preference for higher frequency if possible.
     
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    Yes the range of narrow body aircraft is now quite stunning. Though with the size and scale of some of the US hubs, I think the widebody will continue to reign for some very specific routes. Though you are right, the hub and spoke model is fading a little bit, and the tendency for air travel to be treated as more of a bus service than anything contributes to the demand for high frequency routes.
     
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    Shortest flight I've ever taken was from St Kitts to Antigua. 15 minutes from start of take off roll to coming to a stand after landing. That was on a BA Boeing 777. The announcement to prepare for landing was made seconds after take off rotation.
     
  17. jopsuk

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    Quite a few of the charter airlines have single class, short-haul configured, A330s and B767s
     
  18. thejuggler

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    Our local paper had a 'throwback piece' which relates to this thread.

    The 1985 incident at Leeds Bradford where a Tristar went over the end of runway 14.

    Almost 400 PAX on a charter from Palma.
     
  19. scrapy

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    I've flown Manchester to Barcelona on an Air Atlanta 747 which was strange as there were only a few people on. Was supposed to be an Airtours 757 to Girona but got substituted and diverted as a result.
     
  20. route101

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    Flew a BA747 from Newcastle to London backin 2010.
     
  21. FQTV

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    That was almost certainly the special rotation which British Airways operated to mark Newcastle Airport’s 75th anniversary on the 27th July 2010.

    BA also brought in their tethered hot air baloon; KLM operated their 737 ‘retro jet’, and Emirates flew a 777-300 in for their Dubai service, when the scheduled service was still Airbus A330 operated.

    There were a few other special visitors that day, as well.
     
  22. route101

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    Yes indeed , was only £30 quid the fare
     
  23. rf_ioliver

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    Seems to be a regular...at least an Iberia A340 for MAD departed around 19h30 on the 6th Aug.

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    I've used an Iberia widebody LHR-MAD, it is a regular one. I believe their booking system shows you which aircraft you're getting, so I was able to pick that one specifically.
     
  25. route101

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    Yeah , flew the A340 - 600 last year from MAD to LHR . BA also fly the 772 on the route
     
  26. Bald Rick

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    A340 is regular... the A350 is not! But it has flown a few times in the last two weeks.
     
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    A350 is regularly scheduled until the end of August/beginning of September for crew and market familiarisation. Then it's back to A340 I think.
     
  28. Bald Rick

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    I think there’s an echo... ;)
     
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    I think there’s an echo... ;)
     
  30. gsnedders

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    I'm always surprised at how few wide-bodies there are in the US, though I'm sure in part this is driven by time-sensitive customers, therefore leading to frequent smaller flights.
     

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