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overthewater

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17th April090 Glasgow - EdinburghSome trips diverted via Edinburgh Airport (awaiting the trips to upload to the Flix site for more details)
17th April091 Glasgow - AberdeenExtended to Glasgow Airport on some trips (awaiting the trips to upload to the Flix site for more details)
17th April093 Glasgow - Inverness16:45 trip from Inverness has minor retimings
17th April094 Edinburgh - InvernessRetimings. Now serves Ingliston P&R instead of Halbeath P&R


Resources can make more money elsewhere I guess. Didn't help too that because it was single manned, you had to account for a break at a service station which of course slows down the overall journey.

Its clear the services are not going to plan. On all the times Ive used them its been filled with foreign passengers. I dare say brand recognition is what helps them acquire their custom. The fact 094 will not ever stop at Halbeath now means there given up trying to get any local passengers. The 092 is nightmare as there goes down by Airport and then also goes via Broxden why would you use this service going to Dundee, Ive seen it happen if there delays going into Broxden roundabout 15-20mins wasted, talk about a short cut. You properly quicker taking the X54...

When it comes to Service 90 I agree they need to trying something else, I still think it should have a pick up around Sighthill For Glasgow, most coaches go that way anyways.
 
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Why do Flixbus insist on seat reservations where as National Express is a free for all apart from the few front seats? I can see the benefits of both but I know on the trains I much prefer to choose my own seat.
They don’t. You don’t have to purchase a reservation and you will just be allocated a seat. If you want to choose then you pay.
 

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They don’t. You don’t have to purchase a reservation and you will just be allocated a seat. If you want to choose then you pay.

The problem is that they give you a seat that you don't like. So people end up sitting somewhere else and have to move when someone with the reservation for that seat comes along.
 

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The problem is that they give you a seat that you don't like. So people end up sitting somewhere else and have to move when someone with the reservation for that seat comes along.
I think the idea is that someone will then buy a reservation the next time.

I have often ended up given a seat at the back when not reserving, knowing that by not paying up I run this risk. That is a trade off a passenger needs to consider when deciding not to pay for a reservation.

It is possible to run through the booking process nearer the travel date to see which seats are still unreserved if wanting to attempt sitting in a different seat.
 

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Partially covered above, but more details on the coverage of Glasgow Airport.

“Services between Aberdeen, Dundee, Perth, Stirling and Glasgow Airport will be available eight times a day from 17 April.”

Source: https://www.glasgowworld.com/news/g...-major-scottish-cities-from-under-ps5-5084562

Obviously Glasgow Airport is less popular than Edinburgh these days, but surprising that they haven’t extended any Glasgow - Edinburgh services to Glasgow Airport. Seems like a bit of a gap in the market potentially?
 

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The only notable exclusivity that GLA has over EDI is the Emirates A380, but there'll be less draw for that now that Emirates have returned to EDI, now with the A350. I think it's more that these services are likely run by McGill's Inchinnan depot (a stone's throw from GLA), so having them in service - even a couple of passengers - reduces the cost of dead running.
 

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The only notable exclusivity that GLA has over EDI is the Emirates A380, but there'll be less draw for that now that Emirates have returned to EDI, now with the A350. I think it's more that these services are likely run by McGill's Inchinnan depot (a stone's throw from GLA), so having them in service - even a couple of passengers - reduces the cost of dead running.

I suspect you’re right about the Inchinnnan depot being a big part of the logic here. Is the 090 Glasgow - Edinburgh services run out of Livingston rather than Inchinnan? I suppose that would explain it if so.

(Incidentally, prefixing service numbers with leading 0s just looks odd!).
 

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Cardiff stop moves from Lloyd George Avenue/Herbert Street to the old Megabus stop at Friary Gardens (a significantly better location for passengers, though the coaches Flix use are quite different to Megabus so it will be interesting to see how the stops cope). Effective 13th April.

There's no real difference compared to what the Megabus services were using towards the end, in fact a few of the Flixbus operators were running Megabus services before the network shut down. I don't recall hearing of any issues with the Cardiff stop from drivers.
 

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Partially covered above, but more details on the coverage of Glasgow Airport.

“Services between Aberdeen, Dundee, Perth, Stirling and Glasgow Airport will be available eight times a day from 17 April.”

Source: https://www.glasgowworld.com/news/g...-major-scottish-cities-from-under-ps5-5084562

Obviously Glasgow Airport is less popular than Edinburgh these days, but surprising that they haven’t extended any Glasgow - Edinburgh services to Glasgow Airport. Seems like a bit of a gap in the market potentiall

The only notable exclusivity that GLA has over EDI is the Emirates A380, but there'll be less draw for that now that Emirates have returned to EDI, now with the A350. I think it's more that these services are likely run by McGill's Inchinnan depot (a stone's throw from GLA), so having them in service - even a couple of passengers - reduces the cost of dead running.
Yes, can't see many going onto Glasgow Airport as Glasgow does not really have USP now when it comes to routes.
 

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The only notable exclusivity that GLA has over EDI is the Emirates A380, but there'll be less draw for that now that Emirates have returned to EDI, now with the A350. I think it's more that these services are likely run by McGill's Inchinnan depot (a stone's throw from GLA), so having them in service - even a couple of passengers - reduces the cost of dead running.
Someone may be able to advise otherwise but I don't think it's just Inchinnan trips which are serving the Airport. Yes it's being used sometimes to reduce dead mileage the but some other trips look to be normally extended and evening journeys were retimed to take into account some of the extensions. I believe there to also be some instances of buses on the 091 still running dead from the depot to Glasgow (06:15/07:15 from Glasgow and 22:00 from Aberdeen).

While Glasgow Airport may not have much exclusivity, there are 8 million passengers per year (according to latest Civil Aviation Authority figures) so people are using the airport. Exclusive routes isn't always why people choose to use certain airports, sometimes people prefer the service from a certain airport, or the fares may be cheaper or one of many other reasons. The Airport can be served at a seemingly minimal cost and given the dismal public transport links currently from the airport, perhaps this will help the Airport grow and give Flix some passengers and give them a USP on the route. All at no cost to existing passengers (which Edinburgh would be).


I suspect you’re right about the Inchinnnan depot being a big part of the logic here. Is the 090 Glasgow - Edinburgh services run out of Livingston rather than Inchinnan? I suppose that would explain it if so.
I believe it's shared between Inchinnan and Livingston and this is something that they should do. Same for the 093 Inverness service, 2 buses each day on that seem to be ran by Inchinnan and run dead to/from but maybe the 091 is just a small trial to see if it's worthwhile.

There's no real difference compared to what the Megabus services were using towards the end, in fact a few of the Flixbus operators were running Megabus services before the network shut down. I don't recall hearing of any issues with the Cardiff stop from drivers.
Megabus were still using interdeckers which of course had front loading for wheelchair users and the lockers lifted up. I know Megabus drivers that I have spoken to have said about issues with coaches that Watts were using at one point because the lockers were flaps rather than rising lockers (if that makes sense), so they had to park in the middle of the stand else the locker wouldnt hit the bus shelter and not open.

Megabus I think also had less buses per day than Flix. Flix has 58 services per day either departing or terminating at the stop. It's a lot and it's set to grow slightly in June as well (And maybe grow more depending on any currently unannounced partnerships or enhancements)
 

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Can somebody advise which operator works on route 023 please. Took a pic today of a 25 plate Yutong but can't find any info on it. Pic here if interested:


Any help appreciated...
 

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I suppose with the services to Glasgow Airport, its the timings that can be awkward as its not frequent. Either you wait up to a few hours or just jump into Glasgow and change after your flight. There is a risk of services getting stuck in traffic between Glasgow Buchanan Bus Station and Glasgow Airport.
 

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Can somebody advise which operator works on route 023 please. Took a pic today of a 25 plate Yutong but can't find any info on it. Pic here if interested:


Any help appreciated...
023 is operated by Belle Vue, Whippets, Hearns and Chalfont.

The bus in your photo is operated by Belle Vue.
 

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Booked some trips on the new Bournemouth route. Just had a notification that the London terminal is now the Green Line Coach Station rather than VCS itself
 

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Booked some trips on the new Bournemouth route. Just had a notification that the London terminal is now the Green Line Coach Station rather than VCS itself
As in Eccleston Bridge? Or is it the arrivals coach station across the road to VCS?
 

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Booked some trips on the new Bournemouth route. Just had a notification that the London terminal is now the Green Line Coach Station rather than VCS itself
I wonder if Victoria is running to capacity then or the works they were doing have overran (as the Cambridge services are still off a random stop at Greenline. Flixbus refuses to tell people which stand it departs from, that would be far too customer friendly).
 

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I've heard word that Whippets are coming off Flixbus after June, nothing concrete though.
Flix provides a significant amount of work for Whippet. They own/lease some new coaches to operate the contracts. The downside for them must be that all of their contracts start and finish a long way from their base near Huntingdon. The Cambridge London services that they operate are mostly run/run off journeys which are on sale to passengers. I think they still operate the Manchester - Amsterdam service which comes through Cambridge for a driver changeover.

They seem to have a reputation as the operator most likely to fail to operate a service which must affect the profitability of the work for them.
 

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I've heard word that Whippets are coming off Flixbus after June, nothing concrete though.
Apparently drivers are aware. I had an incling this was happening as the 2 buses on the 023/N23 are due to be taken over by Belle Vue eventually (when they can find the staff) and from 12th June the 002 trips go to Chalfont and Trent Barton.
This would have left only the Paris and Amsterdam services which reports from drivers say they carry minimal passengers 'through' London so people could be accommodated on other routes to/from Victoria Coach Station


What flix routes do they operate from nottingham
N02 night service.


Flix provides a significant amount of work for Whippet. They own/lease some new coaches to operate the contracts. The downside for them must be that all of their contracts start and finish a long way from their base near Huntingdon. The Cambridge London services that they operate are mostly run/run off journeys which are on sale to passengers. I think they still operate the Manchester - Amsterdam service which comes through Cambridge for a driver changeover.

They seem to have a reputation as the operator most likely to fail to operate a service which must affect the profitability of the work for them.
Whippets was one of the first Flix operators and so they have often ended up being used on the bigger routes out of London (IE Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, at one point Nottinghams) so it's always caused issues for them as all changeovers are so far away from base and it often involved a lot of overnights for drivers. I was hoping that the April enhancements to the Cambridge service would have been successful and helped Whippets out a lot operating more closer to home but sadly they didn't come to fruition.

I agree with your comments on their reputation.
 

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When does First come onto the network again? Also noticed that the bay for Flix in Bristol now has Flixbus etched into the window
 

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I have had issues with Flixbus with there Hearns and Fernhill run routes they seem not understand PSVAR at all which is crazy cant say to much about issues but it deal with PSVAR and wheelchair users
 

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I have had issues with Flixbus with there Hearns and Fernhill run routes they seem not understand PSVAR at all which is crazy cant say to much about issues but it deal with PSVAR and wheelchair users
I believe most of Flixbus works to the letter of PSVAR rather than the spirit of PSVAR. Such as they will not remove wheelchair space seats from coaches unless a wheelchair is booked, and even then there is a good chance they have 'sold' the seats which need to be removed. Turn up and go travel goes out of the window as most drivers can't/won't remove the seats (sometimes drivers can't because the seats are too heavy or lockers too full so can't store seats when removes, or some cases it's 'won't' because of one of various reasons). Flixbus also has an ongoing saga of choosing stops which are deliberately not accessible for wheelchair users because they are so desperate to get into certain bus stations, accessibility doesn't matter (Ie Leicester and Bristol whereby offloading a wheelchair means lifts are deployed into the middle of a bus apron, and Nottingham Broadmarsh where there isn't enough space for a wheelchair lift to extend and a wheelchair to board. There's other examples but this will suffice).

All of this is before I dare to think about how many drivers aren't doing PSVAR checks as part of their daily walkaround check (have they got the relevant equipment and does it all work? Testing the wheelchair lift etc) because that is rife in the whole industry at the minute.

What I would say though is, refer any PSVAR issues to the DVSA. National Express, Citylink and Megabus only started taking PSVAR and 'turn up and go accessibility' seriously when Doug Paulley kicked up a fuss and the DVSA started threatening to refer intercity operators to the traffic commissioner.
 

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I believe most of Flixbus works to the letter of PSVAR rather than the spirit of PSVAR. Such as they will not remove wheelchair space seats from coaches unless a wheelchair is booked, and even then there is a good chance they have 'sold' the seats which need to be removed. Turn up and go travel goes out of the window as most drivers can't/won't remove the seats (sometimes drivers can't because the seats are too heavy or lockers too full so can't store seats when removes, or some cases it's 'won't' because of one of various reasons). Flixbus also has an ongoing saga of choosing stops which are deliberately not accessible for wheelchair users because they are so desperate to get into certain bus stations, accessibility doesn't matter (Ie Leicester and Bristol whereby offloading a wheelchair means lifts are deployed into the middle of a bus apron, and Nottingham Broadmarsh where there isn't enough space for a wheelchair lift to extend and a wheelchair to board. There's other examples but this will suffice).

All of this is before I dare to think about how many drivers aren't doing PSVAR checks as part of their daily walkaround check (have they got the relevant equipment and does it all work? Testing the wheelchair lift etc) because that is rife in the whole industry at the minute.

What I would say though is, refer any PSVAR issues to the DVSA. National Express, Citylink and Megabus only started taking PSVAR and 'turn up and go accessibility' seriously when Doug Paulley kicked up a fuss and the DVSA started threatening to refer intercity operators to the traffic commissioner.
oh they have been reported to DVSA and legal action as well as end day there breching the law and turn up and go is legal right
even if they sold the seat which get removed the passnger who are reosnable able to move needs regarldes if they have paid or not get refund on the seat as only place a wheelchair user can get on to is there prolvided coach is not fully booked in wich case ticket be allowed use on the next service.
 

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oh they have been reported to DVSA and legal action as well as end day there breching the law and turn up and go is legal right
even if they sold the seat which get removed the passnger who are reosnable able to move needs regarldes if they have paid or not get refund on the seat as only place a wheelchair user can get on to is there prolvided coach is not fully booked in wich case ticket be allowed use on the next service.
FlixBus isn’t a turn up and go service for the able bodied or anyone else.
 

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