Flying Scotsman Update

[bocaj]

Just checked the NRM website and it has said the Return of the Flying Scotsman is Expected to be in Late Spring 2012 following Delays.
I think this is a shame, I thought that it would be ready about Christmas time.

This loco is causing alot of trouble!

Jacob

 

[Schnellzug]

late Spring now, eh. Part of me wonders if, it it wasn't owned by the Nation, with unsurpassed workshop facilities to call on, and one of the smaller heritage lines had been responsible for it, it might have been back in steam long before now. It does seem a sort of rule of thumb that the larger and wealthier an organisation, the longer anything takes and the more it costs. :-/

 

[bocaj]

It might have allready been done if it was not in the NRM Collection but Would it still be here if it had not been saved by the nation:-?
It got stuck and allmost scrapped in America and didn't it allmost got scrapped in 2004?

 

[theblackwatch]

At this rate, it will be lucky if it is ready for the Great Britain V railtour next April, or even Railfest 2012.

 

[bocaj]

Hi theblackwatch,
You have made a very good point about it not being ready for the Railtours and events She is booked for, alot of people will be disapointed. I hope she is going to be ready for the A1,A2,A3,A4 Event at Barrow Hill roundhouse, but if she is planned to be ready in late spring, I don't think she will be though.
I think she will be ready by May, or maybe Late April If Where Lucky!

Jacob

 

[DarloRich]

The problem is the bolier certifcate is running so all these delays are reducing the chance to earn the cost of the overhaul back for the NRM

 

[brad465]

It might have allready been done if it was not in the NRM Collection but Would it still be here if it had not been saved by the nation:-?
It got stuck and allmost scrapped in America and didn't it allmost got scrapped in 2004?

And by scrapped do you mean put out of service and going down the route of the Mallard or literally scrapped?

 

[pappleby]

http://www.heritagerailway.co.uk/

a bit more info

 

[bocaj]

Hi DarloRich,
You have also made a good point, while all the work is getting done, the Boiler Certificate is still running. So the usual 10 years it runs for will probably only be 9 years by the time she is running.

Jacob
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Hi Brad465,
I mean Scrapped as in what most of the other steam locos got. Sent to aa scrap yard and cut up.

Jacob
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Thanks for your link Pappleby!
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Another update on Flying Scotsman, http://www.heritagerailway.co.uk/news/flying-scotsman-delayed-overhaul-now-tops-2-million-and-rising
I never knew it wasdue to carry the Olympic Tourch!

 

[northernrail]

I saw it in Ian Rileys Shed in Mid-August and i think it was off its wheels, cant remember now...

 

[Chris125]

I can categorically say that Flying Scotsman was at no risk of being scrapped - very simply, she is worth far more complete.

Chris

 

[mumrar]

I can categorically say that Flying Scotsman was at no risk of being scrapped - very simply, she is worth far more complete.

Chris

Don't you mean costs far more complete? We are now well beyond the total cost to build Tornado from scratch, it is quite a sad state if affairs really.

If it was this broken it should have just gone into a highly finished static condition, just look at the fine examples of this set by Mallard and Duchess of Hamilton. This has robbed so many other important projects money, let's hope that doesn't come back to haunt the NRM in the future.

 

[bocaj]

I can categorically say that Flying Scotsman was at no risk of being scrapped - very simply, she is worth far more complete.

Chris

Hi Chris,
I'm not sure if it would have been scrapped but It said on a artical on BBC News that it could have been bought be someone out of the UK and gone out of the Country, their it could have beem scrapped.
I'll try and find the artical now.

Jacob
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Don't you mean costs far more complete? We are now well beyond the total cost to build Tornado from scratch, it is quite a sad state if affairs really.

If it was this broken it should have just gone into a highly finished static condition, just look at the fine examples of this set by Mallard and Duchess of Hamilton. This has robbed so many other important projects money, let's hope that doesn't come back to haunt the NRM in the future.

As Much as I would like to see it running I have to agree. It should be displayed at the NRM.

Jacob
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This is the Artical, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3599427.stm

 

[Schnellzug]

If it was this broken it should have just gone into a highly finished static condition, just look at the fine examples of this set by Mallard and Duchess of Hamilton. This has robbed so many other important projects money.

Such as returning Duhess of Hamilton to steam, in streamlined condition ....

 

[bocaj]

I wonder what will happen whe nthe next Overhall is due, wheather they will get her running again or put her on static display. :?

 

[60163]

After all this malarkey is it still gonna be in black?

 

[YorkshireBear]

I wonder what will happen whe nthe next Overhall is due, wheather they will get her running again or put her on static display. :?

If they have done a good enough job this time then they will be able to overhaul it cheaper and quicker next time. Meaning it will go for another boiler ticket at a fraction of cost and effort which could in theory help to repay the huge costs this time. After that i imagine something else will be given a go and it will be put in the NRM along side Mallard where in my opinion it should of gone this time for at least 5-6 years.

 

[Schnellzug]

And either Green Arrow, Evening Star, MR 1000 or (my choice) Duchess of Hamilton (with streamlining) ought to be the next one, I think. Or perhaps the whole job contracted to somewhere like Tyseley, which might be able to get it done within sight of the anticipated schedule and budget.

 

[bocaj]

After all this malarkey is it still gonna be in black?

Nope, it's going to be in Green. It was supposed to be running in Black on her Mainline tests but due to the discovery of the cracks it will now be doing them in green.
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Hi jimmyowl1992,
Thanks for telling me. It's a bit of a relife that it shouldn't take as long as this one next time the overhall is due. I also think it should be put on display.

Thanks for the help,

Jacob
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Hi Schnellzug,
All of those locos would be good in steam, I think Dutchess of Hamilton or Evening Star would be the best ones to do!

Jacob

 

[YorkshireBear]

Nope, it's going to be in Green. It was supposed to be running in Black on her Mainline tests but due to the discovery of the cracks it will now be doing them in green.
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Hi jimmyowl1992,
Thanks for telling me. It's a bit of a relife that it shouldn't take as long as this one next time the overhall is due. I also think it should be put on display.

Thanks for the help,

Jacob
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Hi Schnellzug,
All of those locos would be good in steam, I think Dutchess of Hamilton or Evening Star would be the best ones to do!

Jacob

Dont put that for certain by no means. I just mean that can and has happened with engines before. We have an engine at KWVR in a similar situation.
There is every chance it could be in need of a very long expensive overhaul again next time, in which case i would put duchess back in. Although speaking to a few staff at the NRM some said that its been said that duchess is to be done when scotsmans current ticket runs out. as a replacement for their falgship mainline loco and put scotsman as a static display.

Evening star, i'd probably wait till some of the other 9Fs tickets have run out. Also they arn't very kind to curves.

 

[bocaj]

Hi jimmyowl1992,
Ill take your advice and not take it for cetain. I think it is a good Idia to leve Flying Scotsman out of steam for a bit and put it on Static display and then steam the Dutchess. But would they get complaits for not steaming one of the most famous steam locos in the world? :?

 

[Schnellzug]

Hi jimmyowl1992,
Ill take your advice and not take it for cetain. I think it is a good Idia to leve Flying Scotsman out of steam for a bit and put it on Static display and then steam the Dutchess. But would they get complaits for not steaming one of the most famous steam locos in the world? :?

Well, i think the A1 Steam Loco trust seem to be looking after that ...

 

[Yew]

Well, i think the A1 Steam Loco trust seem to be looking after that ...

Tornado does get around like the time travelling train from back to the future

 

[Nigel Cliff]

The most over rated engine on the planet wish they had spent the money getting Green Arrow back in service

 

[Schnellzug]

The most over rated engine on the planet wish they had spent the money getting Green Arrow back in service

Which one, 60103 or 60163?

 

[60163]

But would they get complaits for not steaming one of the most famous steam locos in the world? :?

Mallard? But that's a whole pack of debate worms, best leave it

 

[bocaj]

Mallard? But that's a whole pack of debate worms, best leave it

Nope, Flying Scotsman. I think the NRM Said a while back that they would not return Mallard to steam as If they ran out of money half way through the overhall they might not have been able to get Mallard back together again. I don't no why they say this with Mallard but no Flying Scotsman, I think people think both are just as famous.

 

[GM078]

I suppose at this stage Flying Scotsman has had so much done to it that much of it isn't "original" anyway, whereas with Mallard there would be (relatively speaking) more original parts, so I suppose from the NRM's point of view it would make sense to keep her as original as possible, Granddad's brush and all that.

 

[PUFFINGBILLY]

An overated over-promoted part-replica, so why all then interest?

 

[bocaj]

I suppose at this stage Flying Scotsman has had so much done to it that much of it isn't "original" anyway, whereas with Mallard there would be (relatively speaking) more original parts, so I suppose from the NRM's point of view it would make sense to keep her as original as possible, Granddad's brush and all that.

Yes, that could be a reasong for not steaming Mallard but I have heard it was too exspensive and risky to overhall her.