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Freight trains - how do I find out what’s in them?

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Hi all,

I live near the Gobowen line and am fascinated when I look at the freight trains (usually about 13 carriages / trailers usually but sometimes almost double that) passing by.
However, I’m nosey so I’d love to know what’s in them.

Am I able to do this? (Without hijacking and looking inside them. Lol)
 
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If they are container trains or trains with swap bodies (HGV curtain sided) then you won’t be able to find out whats in them unless you work for the company or someone tells you (not a good idea as they are commercially sensitive and security risk)

if they are purpose built wagons (chemical, petrol, steel, open box etc) then someone should be able to tell you.
 
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I saw some containers carrying the name of a well-known food store at Inverness, I think at Wick too, but did they contain goods for retail? One does see trucks marked 'Marmite', not sure if they carry 20 tonnes of yeast extract
 

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Get to know real train times


This shows where train originated and their destination. In your case most traffic is for Kronospan at Chirk another search on that plus the word train will give you the answer.
 

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I saw some containers carrying the name of a well-known food store at Inverness, I think at Wick too, but did they contain goods for retail? One does see trucks marked 'Marmite', not sure if they carry 20 tonnes of yeast extract

The Tesco-branded containers usually carry ambient stock for the supermarkets.
 

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If they are container trains or trains with swap bodies (HGV curtain sided) then you won’t be able to find out whats in them unless you work for the company or someone tells you (not a good idea as they are commercially sensitive and security risk)

if they are purpose built wagons (chemical, petrol, steel, open box etc) then someone should be able to tell you.

As GB says container trains would be difficult to find out what’s in them, others mention the timber trains but these should be obvious as the are open wagons stacked with logs. For everything else if you subscribe to Freightmaster then that will tell you what type of freight it is. If your stretch of track is not covered by one of the many freight timetables available on site, then Mark who runs it will provide you with a purpose built timetable for your stretch of track.
 

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One does see trucks marked 'Marmite', not sure if they carry 20 tonnes of yeast extract
An everyday sight in Burton on Trent. They're collecting surplus yeast produced during the beer brewing process, along with other yeast material from various locations, and transporting it to the Marmite factory to be made into the familiar spreadable product.
 

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Say, for what were hopyards meant?, Or why was Burton built on Trent? (Housman)
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I saw a picture of a train on the line towards Inverness, solely containers marked with the name of a well-known food store, not sure how many
If true, a lot of food goes by rail, very good
 

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I live near the Gobowen line and am fascinated when I look at the freight trains (usually about 13 carriages / trailers usually but sometimes almost double that) passing by.
However, I’m nosey so I’d love to know what’s in them.
Am I able to do this? (Without hijacking and looking inside them. Lol)

The train in your photos will be a steel train between south Wales (Margam) and north Wales (Dee Marsh, Shotton) carrying steel coil for processing at Shotton (Tata).
This usually runs several times a week (it used to be several times a day!).
The timber trains are open wagons and it's obvious what the cargo is, as noted above they will be heading for Kronospan at Chirk (usually from Carlisle).
When unloaded these trains often run on to Gobowen to reverse direction using the first bit of the Oswestry line, or carry on to Shrewsbury to turn north.
There is also a flow of coal to the Hanson cement works at Penyffordd, in containers, running roughly weekly.
It used to come from Yorkshire via Chester and not pass Gobowen, but this week I see it comes from Avonmouth via Shrewsbury and will be imported coal.
These are all local flows to NE Wales. The route doesn't normally get freight destined for other places, so is limited to these three flows.
Very occasionally, other freight trains are diverted via Gobowen, eg when the West Coast Main Line via Crewe is closed for engineering work.

As noted above, realtimetrains will show you the origin and destination of freight trains, and you can often guess the cargo from the type of vehicles in the train or the terminals the train uses.
 
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The train in your photos will be a steel train between south Wales (Margam) and north Wales (Dee Marsh, Shotton) carrying steel coil for processing at Shotton (Tata).
This usually runs several times a week (it used to be several times a day!).
The timber trains are open wagons and it's obvious what the cargo is, as noted above they will be heading for Kronospan at Chirk (usually from Carlisle).
When unloaded these trains often run on to Gobowen to reverse direction using the first bit of the Oswestry line, or carry on to Shrewsbury to turn north.
That’s interesting, thanks for that. I’ve seen them myself rumbling through Wrecsam on occasion and wondered much the same!
 

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Timber train to Kronospan hasn't run since early March. It's back from tomorrow, running Tue/Wed/Thu.

The timber trains are open wagons and it's obvious what the cargo is, as noted above they will be heading for Kronospan at Chirk (usually from Carlisle).
When unloaded these trains often run on to Gobowen to reverse direction using the first bit of the Oswestry line, or carry on to Shrewsbury to turn north.

The bit in bold is incorrect. They don't often do that, in fact they don't ever do that. The train now sadly runs round at Shrewsbury and heads off to Crewe via Nantwich, but even before that it continued from Shrewsbury via the Wellington line to Stafford Road Jn/Bushbury Jn at Wolverhampton then via Stafford.
 
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The Tesco-branded containers usually carry ambient stock for the supermarkets.
I believe one Tesco service carries Beer on the return as the Distribution Centre is next to the Brewery.
 

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As opposed to 'real time', is there a website that can tell me the times of trains on a certain track throughout the day, please?
 

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Just RTT really, it is pretty good once you work it out
 
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I believe one Tesco service carries Beer on the return as the Distribution Centre is next to the Brewery.
AIUI a feature of Stobart/Tesco trains is that as many containers as possible are backloaded to DIRFT with single product from manufacturers near the far end terminals to minimise empty running.
 

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There is also a flow of coal to the Hanson cement works at Penyffordd, in containers, running roughly weekly.
It used to come from Yorkshire via Chester and not pass Gobowen, but this week I see it comes from Avonmouth via Shrewsbury and will be imported coal.
For clarification, the coal traffic to Penyffordd hasn't run for many years - the Avonmouth train
actually conveys loaded cement from Penyffordd:



As opposed to 'real time', is there a website that can tell me the times of trains on a certain track throughout the day, please?
Out of curiosity, what wrong with using Realtime Trains for that purpose?

For example, here is a lineup of trains at Gobowen last Wednesday:





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As opposed to 'real time', is there a website that can tell me the times of trains on a certain track throughout the day, please?
Yes. You can buy a subscription to the Freightmater site.
 

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A few years ago I was walking near the S&C line when a logs train went past.
You could smell the pine!

As for the Marmite - yuk!
 

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AIUI a feature of Stobart/Tesco trains is that as many containers as possible are backloaded to DIRFT with single product from manufacturers near the far end terminals to minimise empty running.
Good to hear that they attempt to backload going south.
20ish tonnes of yeast product, but yes!
FWIW road hauliers attempt the same so just because it says xyz-brand on the side it may be something completely different!
 

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Good to hear that they attempt to backload going south.

FWIW road hauliers attempt the same so just because it says xyz-brand on the side it may be something completely different!
Nothing new about that either. My grandfather drove a steam lorry for Pouparts Jam factory in Twickenham in the 1930s. They always welcomed return loads.

Pouparts had moved from Battersea in the 1860s to make way for the railway, but the name lives on in Pouparts Junction.
 

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Nothing new about that either. My grandfather drove a steam lorry for Pouparts Jam factory in Twickenham in the 1930s. They always welcomed return loads.

Pouparts had moved from Battersea in the 1860s to make way for the railway, but the name lives on in Pouparts Junction.
Thank you for that. I've always wondered how that junction came by its unusual name.
 
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