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FTPE BR class 170 and 185's?

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bitmadmax

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Hi All,

I understand that these 2 classes of trains operate between Manchester and Warrington?

I am looking to commute a mix of bike/train and, assuming there is space and the Guard allows me and the bike on the train etc, does anyone happen to know where is the best place to locate on these particular trains where I am not in the way?

I've been on a few Northern Rails in the past (the stock number escapes me sorry) and pretty much manage to use one of the vestibules at the front/back, which would be ideal normally, but the northern rail services call too early or too late :/

Cheers guys :lol:
 
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The TPE services on that route are all 185's. The 170's are kept on Hull-Man Pic & Cleethorpes-Airport services.
 

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Seating plan here...
http://help.thetrainline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4237/~/first-transpennine-express-seating-maps

Clearly shows cycle storage!

To work out which end is coming towards you at a station the end which contains first class has a yellow stripe on the coupler at the front.

Hope that helps!
 

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Yeah, 185s only. Best place is between the cab and 1st class, which is a large open area. The FC end of the service is donated by the electrical cover on the coupler being all yellow, if you want to identify it as the train is still coming into the platform :)
 

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Awesome, thanks guys
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Yeah, 185s only. Best place is between the cab and 1st class, which is a large open area. The FC end of the service is donated by the electrical cover on the coupler being all yellow, if you want to identify it as the train is still coming into the platform :)

Shh! ;)

I always find it amusing when people are about to go in to that part of the train and then see the number 1 on the door thinking it's first class.
 

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Yeah, 185s only. Best place is between the cab and 1st class, which is a large open area. The FC end of the service is donated by the electrical cover on the coupler being all yellow, if you want to identify it as the train is still coming into the platform :)

No. No. NO !

Just because you can doesn't mean that you should. The large area between the drivers cab and 1st Class is the wheelchair area. There are no "straps" to restrain your bike.

Remember safety first.

The designated cycle storage area is in coach "c" located at the opposite end of First Class.

Why Oh why encorage someone to do something unsafe and that they are not supposed to ?
 

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Aren't some Sunday FTPE Liverpool services diagrammed for 170(s) still?

There's an 08:22 Liverpool-Hull on a Sunday so that may well be a 170.
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No. No. NO !

Just because you can doesn't mean that you should. The large area between the drivers cab and 1st Class is the wheelchair area. There are no "straps" to restrain your bike.

Remember safety first.

The designated cycle storage area is in coach "c" located at the opposite end of First Class.

Why Oh why encorage someone to do something unsafe and that they are not supposed to ?

Here's the seating plan for the 185s showing the bike area in coach c: http://help.thetrainline.com/euf/assets/images/Pennine Class 185.png

One lady who boarded a doubled up Northern 156 with a bike on a daily basis always put her bike in the area next to the toilet where there was a clear sign saying the space is reserved for wheelchairs and is not to be used for luggage or bikes.
 

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Thought I would get the train this morning with the bike, Sure enough the first class car was the driven end and indicated with a yellow cover over the coupler electrics - thanks for that little tip :lol:

I notice that the layout of the 185 was correct on the national rail website mentioned above - yet on TPE's website their 185 is the other way round :roll:

On board there was already a cyclist in the area with the disabled toilets (being used by non-disabled commuters, I should add) :roll: I see what you're saying about the disabled space and if a wheelchair user was there or needed the space I would more than gladly move elsewhere.
 

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No. No. NO !

Just because you can doesn't mean that you should. The large area between the drivers cab and 1st Class is the wheelchair area. There are no "straps" to restrain your bike.

Remember safety first.

The designated cycle storage area is in coach "c" located at the opposite end of First Class.

Why Oh why encorage someone to do something unsafe and that they are not supposed to ?

EDIT:- as crossover has stated, and I absolutely agree with his last sentence!!!

The bike bay is in coach C. There is a picture of a bike on the door to help you. Remember TPE can legally only carry 2 bikes so if the bay is already full or if the train is full and standing DO NOT take it out on the conductor if he or she tells you that you cannot board. Remember that member of staff has 150 other passengers to think about. Don't store the bike in front of the doors or in any other part of the train unless specifically instructed to.

Some conductors take exception to being told what to do by cyclists while others will be more than willing to go out of their way to try and fit you in. Follow their instictions. If you cannot board, there is usually a northern rail a few minutes behind so you won't be stranded
 
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No. No. NO !

Just because you can doesn't mean that you should. The large area between the drivers cab and 1st Class is the wheelchair area. There are no "straps" to restrain your bike.

Remember safety first.

The designated cycle storage area is in coach "c" located at the opposite end of First Class.

Why Oh why encorage someone to do something unsafe and that they are not supposed to ?

As for the why, I had forgotten, so no need for the abrupt response!

As you can probably tell, I am not a cyclist and having seen cyclists in Coach A, that was my initial response (given the time of the reply too)

As you quite correctly point out, the correct location is Coach C where there are tip out seats.

OP - As mentioned above, keep cycles away from doors etc. I have seen a Northern service delayed by a few minutes as the guard took exception to where bikes were (not massively in the way, just not where they should have been), and wouldn't go release the doors until everything was sorted...
Also, you now need to look for the non-yellow electrical box :P
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Shh! ;)

I always find it amusing when people are about to go in to that part of the train and then see the number 1 on the door thinking it's first class.

Very! Been on 185s absolutely rammed to the rafters (summer to Scarborough!) and I had that bit virtually to myself (well, apart from a resident bee, which may be why everyone avoided it in the first place...)
 

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Can I just reiterate my quotes and comments here as I seem to have wrongly misquoted other posters...

158801- absolutely on the button.

Crossover - was referring to your second post. And my subsequent comments were generalised and not aimed at you in any way. Didn't even see the first one which 158801 responded to which I misquoted as being you! I just saw the safety first bit, and somehow both of your statements got *ahem* crossed over! Forgive me, I'm on late airport runs and was a bit more bleary eyed than I thought when I first posted!!!!

As a tail lamp I have had situations where cyclists have put themselves and other rail users in danger for the sake of getting themselves on the train. I have seen cyclists throw their bikes through train doors that were closing so they could force their way on. Cyclists race arriving trains so they can be on the right part of the platform, but in the process swerve to avoid passengers and nearly end up under the train. I have had unnecessary arguments with cyclists who have been unable to board because the train was full who have insisted they had a right to be on that train. Cyclists service their bikes on the train and the associated mess they created. Biked dumped in doorways and abandoned while the cyclist sat at the opposite end of the train for that cycle to then fall on a passenger trying to board. I have even had cyclists complain about me refusing to let them travel and accuse me of having a bad attitude, despite rearranging seating layouts and finding a way to accommodate that very same cyclist and allowing them to travel. Don't even get me started on the issues I have with the teenaged matt Hoffman types who travel from Chester le street with big egos bad attitudes, abusive and disruptive. Recently I was suspended from duty because I took a hard stance on individuals who I considered were putting themselves in danger and refused them travel. While I was praised for my stance on safety, I was criticised for my handling of the situation and my behaviour and attitude. Which was fair enough I guess, but understandable based on what actions and behaviour i have witnessed.


Now I am very proactive and will accommodate what I feel is safe. if i can get 5 on safely, ill do it. and I will actively assist cyclists on the train using coach A if necessary as long as I can do it safely. And the vast majority of cyclists will board safely, stow their bikes appropriately, and will gladly accept the assistance. Especially if passengers who think they have paid for a seat are in their way! Not all conductors will tho, They will stick to the rules. I just don't want to be blamed, called a jobsworth, or suffer any unnecessary aggravation because I have to leave the cyclist behind! At the same time, there are regulations and byelaws that cyclists should stick to, and the minority that don't give those that do a poor reputation.
 
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Hi All,
I understand that these 2 classes of trains operate between Manchester and Warrington?

Don't forget you can get ATW's Class 175 (and the odd 158) between Manchester and Warrington Bank Quay.
I don't have a bike but the 175s have always seemed bike-friendly to me.
 

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On board there was already a cyclist in the area with the disabled toilets (being used by non-disabled commuters, I should add) :roll: I see what you're saying about the disabled space and if a wheelchair user was there or needed the space I would more than gladly move elsewhere.

These areas aren't exclusively for disabled people - they can be used by anyone, provided they aren't preventing a disabled person from sitting there. As for the toilets, the correct name (IIRC) is "disabled accessible toilet" - it's for anyone.
 

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These areas aren't exclusively for disabled people - they can be used by anyone, provided they aren't preventing a disabled person from sitting there. As for the toilets, the correct name (IIRC) is "disabled accessible toilet" - it's for anyone.

I was going to say the same thing! Class 185's only have two toilets, and the Disabled access toilet is the closest to first class. I doubt first class passengers will want to walk all the way through coach A and to the opposite end of coach B to use the toilet!
 

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The TPE services on that route are all 185's. The 170's are kept on Hull-Man Pic & Cleethorpes-Airport services.

Not all! About 4 months ago, on my commute I alighted at Manchester Oxford Road and saw a 170 pulling in with the 08:12 Liverpool Lime Street on the front and it was calling at Birchwood and Warrington Central. This is very rare however!
 

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These areas aren't exclusively for disabled people - they can be used by anyone, provided they aren't preventing a disabled person from sitting there. As for the toilets, the correct name (IIRC) is "disabled accessible toilet" - it's for anyone.

Universal access facilities is usually the term given, as the mostly have baby tables inside too.
 
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