Further Restrictions Announced by Johnson (22/09)

[ainsworth74]

If only the Government had blown the general goodwill and acceptance of the importance of these measures up the wall to protect the 'Special One' after their "eye test" at Barnard Castle perhaps they wouldn't need to now be threatening people quite so severely to get them to go along with their schemes. But couple that to general fatigue with it all, an increasing displeasure with the public being blamed for it (despite the Government's down right hilarious mixed messaging) and I guess here we are. It feels a mite brave to be ratcheting up the threats against the population in that background but when you're a incompetent and lacking in talent as the current mob what else can we expect?

 

[peterblue]

I went out for an 'eye test' just this previous weekend in hampshire / on the isle of wight!

The government is also contradictory and not at all consistent, which adds to the amount of unrest among the general population. For example in August we were told we had to go to pubs, and cafes to 'eat out to help out'. Just one month later, that message has been completely withdrawn with severe threats of more restrictions & more lockdowns.

 

[Andyh82]

If only the Government had blown the general goodwill and acceptance of the importance of these measures up the wall to protect the 'Special One' after their "eye test" at Barnard Castle perhaps they wouldn't need to now be threatening people quite so severely to get them to go along with their schemes. But couple that to general fatigue with it all, an increasing displeasure with the public being blamed for it (despite the Government's down right hilarious mixed messaging) and I guess here we are. It feels a mite brave to be ratcheting up the threats against the population in that background but when you're a incompetent and lacking in talent as the current mob what else can we expect?

Who knew that the virus didn't distinguish between people not following the rules and people not following the rules because they were getting one over Boris

Maybe if people had been sensible and done things in moderation instead of having pub crawls and multiple parties with as many people as possible, we wouldn't be in this situation

Anyone who keeps banging on with this 'I'm doing whatever I like because Cummings' really needs to grow up, and maybe they won't be laughing when the furlough scheme comes to an end

 

[peterblue]

There certainly are people who act irresponsibly, but I see no harm in 'living life' and engaging in travel, eating out, etc as long as it is performed with some extra minor precautions.

 

[MDB1images]

Despite no news on the recent trials of allowing small amounts of socially distanced Football fans back in Johnson has now paused the anticipated roll out of this which I suspect will kill off a number of League 2 and National League clubs and accelerate redundancies at clubs below the Championship.
At the same time a younger generation will be slowly getting used to staying at home and playing FIFA etc rather then getting out in the fresh air on a Saturday.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Nobody seems to have picked up on Johnson saying the Army could now be called out to help police the restrictions?

That's a rather different kettle of fish from the earlier use of their logistics skills in helping organise testing centres and similar.

 

[MikeWM]

Nobody seems to have picked up on Johnson saying the Army could now be called out to help police the restrictions?

I was about to mention it :-/

His exact words were 'the option to draw on military support where required to free up the police'.

Make of that what you will, but is that really the road we want to go down?

 

[Kingspanner]

The case counts are still relatively low, even in the hotspots of the North West/East. Death counts will inevitably be even lower. It's a relatively benign non-lethal virus to have unless the affected is infirm, elderly, or already has underlying heath conditions. It's not suitable to have such a drastic and inflated response.

There is a large amount of civil unrest now due to the duration of the restrictions imposed. There was more support for this a few months ago - now people are starting to see the ridiculousness of it all.

Allow citizens to make their own choices. If someone wishes to go out and play sports - let them. If someone wishes to have a drink and socialise with (heaven forbid) 6 people, let them do so.

No don't. The trouble with letting people make their own choices is that in doing so they make choices for others. I'm wearing a mask when I enter our village shop, less for my benefit than for the poor staff behind the till who are faced by hundreds of shoppers every day.
Choose to go to the pub, play some sports, visit everyone you know in a lovely consenting manner. But what about the people on the train when you go to work tomorrow?

 

[102 fan]

Having the military as an option is frightening. Apart from N Ireland, has the military ever been used to bolster the police in the UK?

 

[GRALISTAIR]

I do think that by the end of March, social distancing measures for the entire population should end regardless of whether there is a vaccine to avoid further economic and societal damage. If there is no vaccine at that point, then the government will have to accept that we have to live the virus and any measures should be focused on protecting the vulnerable.

I agree.

 

[brad465]

I don't think there will be a shift in the polls, Labour agreed with all of the new measures!

Labour would have us locked up till 2022. My partner cancelled her membership because of their stance. So one positive from all this!

Yes that is true: if one of Farage's past parties or a future one either he or another right wing figure setup was live right now, I would expect there to be a massive shift from Tory to that small party, which by virtue of splitting the opinion vote would put Labour ahead without their overall value changing, but would be enough to force the Government to change tact.

 

[Huntergreed]

Sturgeon due to come out in 10 minutes to deliver her take on things. What’s everyone’s bets on? Mine are:

Pubs to shut at sometime between 9PM and 9:59PM

Indoor household mixing banned completely by law.

Essential travel only on public transport.

Mandatory self isolation if you test positive, are called by test and protect, or are told to by the app with large fines for non compliance.

 

[BJames]

Sturgeon due to come out in 10 minutes to deliver her take on things. What’s everyone’s bets on? Mine are:

Pubs to shut at sometime between 9PM and 9:59PM

Indoor household mixing banned completely by law.

Essential travel only on public transport.

Mandatory self isolation if you test positive, are called by test and protect, or are told to by the app with large fines for non compliance.

Spot on I reckon.

Mandatory self isolation is an almost definite given it's already going to happen in England.

 

[hexagon789]

So we've got to wear face nappies in the pub from Thursday onwards, unless you are seated at your table, and staff will also have to wear the wretched things.

You already have to anyway in cafés, pubs and restaurants, unless that's Scotland only?

 

[DB]

£200 fine for first face covering offence and 10pm curfew of pubs and restaurants.

Presumably no change to the exemption situation?

 

[MikeWM]

Yes that is true: if one of Farage's past parties or a future one either he or another right wing figure setup was live right now, I would expect there to be a massive shift from Tory to that small party, which by virtue of splitting the opinion vote would put Labour ahead without their overall value changing, but would be enough to force the Government to change tact.

Farage is starting to speak out quite vocally against the policies of the government. Whatever else you can say for him, he is rather good at picking up public opinion and going with it - presumably why he hasn't said much until recently.

 

[Scotrail12]

Sturgeon due to come out in 10 minutes to deliver her take on things. What’s everyone’s bets on? Mine are:

Essential travel only on public transport.

Well, I have to break that one because I can't drive.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Farage is starting to speak out quite vocally against the policies of the government. Whatever else you can say for him, he is rather good at picking up public opinion and going with it - presumably why he hasn't said much until recently.

Reminds me of one or two other people - it truly is a good skill to have. The Sun newspaper also used to be good at it - I do of course hate that rag with a passion.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Reminds me of one or two other people - it truly is a good skill to have. The Sun newspaper also used to be good at it - I do of course hate that rag with a passion.

The Scum sets public opinion, it doesn't follow it. That's really clever, however vile it is.

 

[Trackman]

Having the military as an option is frightening. Apart from N Ireland, has the military ever been used to bolster the police in the UK?

Yes, several times with guns - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Temperer
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Civil unrest here we come!
Think I might become a 'prepper' for when the people's revolution comes!
Who'd be president I wonder?

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Having the military as an option is frightening. Apart from N Ireland, has the military ever been used to bolster the police in the UK?

Yes - it’s common in areas with military installations. If you go to places like Aldershot or Catterick, RMP, MoD plod and the local constabulary work hand in glove.

Which is why when people were losing their collective “shot“ about the RMP’s supporting police in traffic management in April, some of us rolled our eyes, knowing that has gone on since Adam was a lad.

 

[ainsworth74]

Who knew that the virus didn't distinguish between people not following the rules and people not following the rules because they were getting one over Boris

Maybe if people had been sensible and done things in moderation instead of having pub crawls and multiple parties with as many people as possible, we wouldn't be in this situation

Anyone who keeps banging on with this 'I'm doing whatever I like because Cummings' really needs to grow up, and maybe they won't be laughing when the furlough scheme comes to an end

Maybe if the Government weren't down right schizophrenic with their messaging, if they had perhaps had the foresight to see that testing demand might rise when the schools returned, if they had focused less on outsourcing contracts to massive firms, if they had perhaps not just handed various other contracts to associates of members of the Government it might have helped the situation slightly. But yes. It's all the publics fault.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Sturgeon due to come out in 10 minutes to deliver her take on things. What’s everyone’s bets on? Mine are:

Pubs to shut at sometime between 9PM and 9:59PM

Indoor household mixing banned completely by law.

Essential travel only on public transport.

Mandatory self isolation if you test positive, are called by test and protect, or are told to by the app with large fines for non compliance.

Cynical. Lets see.

 

[duncanp]

You already have to anyway in cafés, pubs and restaurants, unless that's Scotland only?

Currently it is Scotland only, but it wil be mandatory in England from Thursday.

 

[Scrotnig]

I wonder if the 'table service only' rule affects takeaway outlets such as chip shops and kebab houses.

If it does, their business is effectively shut down.

 

[102 fan]

Yes, several times with guns - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Temperer
--
Civil unrest here we come!
Think I might become a 'prepper' for when the people's revolution comes!
Who'd be president I wonder?

They would of been welcome after a terrorist attack, whether they would be welcome because of unrest I'm not so sure.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I wonder if the 'table service only' rule affects takeaway outlets such as chip shops and kebab houses.

If it does, their business is effectively shut down.

No, it is only where eating in (Boris was quite specific on this). Takeaway service is still permitted (up to 10pm). So no post pub kebab (other than delivery) if staying to close!

They would of been welcome after a terrorist attack, whether they would be welcome because of unrest I'm not so sure.

Turning guns on the population is not acceptable.

 

[Tomp94]

I wonder if the 'table service only' rule affects takeaway outlets such as chip shops and kebab houses.

If it does, their business is effectively shut down.

They should be OK. After all, its a take away. You go in, order your food, collect it, then presumably go home to eat it.

 

[Trackman]

Sturgeon is on now

 

[DelW]

Having the military as an option is frightening. Apart from N Ireland, has the military ever been used to bolster the police in the UK?

Yes, though not recently - search for "Peterloo Massacre" for an example that didn't go well.

I think there were quite a few cases around the late 19th and early 20th century, though I'd have to refresh my memory on that.