GBRF confirms conversion of Class 56s to Class 69s

[Sun Chariot]

You'll be suggesting Kestrel livery next

I was SO tempted to!

 

[Islineclear3_1]

+1 for Kestrel or Falcon

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Liveries which could suit the 69:
- Black with silver waistband (10000/1, 10201-3, 20003, etc).
- Light green and brown ("Falcon").
- Network Southeast.
- Rail Express Systems (RES).
- Red stripe Railfreight.
- Southern Malachite green + yellow lining.
- 47522 "Doncaster Enterprise" apple green + black/white lining.
- 97561 "Midland Counties 150" maroon + gold lining.

I'd add Civil Engineering "Dutch" grey and yellow to that list (assuming one hasn't already got it, must admit I've lost track!)

 

[Sun Chariot]

I'd add Civil Engineering "Dutch" grey and yellow to that list (assuming one hasn't already got it, must admit I've lost track!)

I mulled over that one - I have photos of the 56s carrying that livery. I opted for RES as I think the brighter scheme will suit them.

 

[TheEngineer]

I mulled over that one - I have photos of the 56s carrying that livery. I opted for RES as I think the brighter scheme will suit them.

I quite fancy the idea of a res one!

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I mulled over that one - I have photos of the 56s carrying that livery. I opted for RES as I think the brighter scheme will suit them.

I can see the argument there, red would be a bit more eye-catching... though I wouldn't have thought there was a limit on the number of suggestions one could make. Though there are only a finite number of 69s to put them on, even if you were to put a different livery on either side!
On the Railfreight red stripe suggestion, didn't most 56s just wear plain grey without the red stripe? Always thought it was odd that the enthusiast community decided to call that livery Red Stripe when many examples didn't include any red!

 

[wickham]

Re: Post 1104: Brunswick Green was not the shade carried by the Westerns - I have no idea what it was officially called, but pretty sure it was a somewhat lighter shade. I do like the suggestion of "Lion White" but of course it is completely impractical !

 

[Sun Chariot]

Re: Post 1104: Brunswick Green was not the shade carried by the Westerns -... pretty sure it was a somewhat lighter shade.

Are you certain on that? I don't have pantone refs to hand but British Railways diesel loco green was Brunswick (or a shade very close); and a lighter "SR multiple unit green" for Bulleid's Boosters, HA (71) and JA (73/0).

Colour base can look wildly different depending on what it is applied to (such as different undercoats), let alone the effect of reflected light from it.

On the Railfreight red stripe suggestion, didn't most 56s just wear plain grey without the red stripe?

56135 was delivered late-1984 in the then-new Railfreight all-over grey.
The bodyside red stripe livery superceded it, in mid-1987.
As the "sector" 3-tone grey livery came into effect on the 56s from 1988, it's likely - as you say - that Railfreight all over grey was carried by more 56s, than Red Stripe R/F.

Do any thread readers have a Platform 5 for Autumn 1988? That'll help us tally up the numbers of Grids in each livery.

 

[david1212]

You'll be suggesting Kestrel livery next

Already suggested

HS4000 livery,I can keep hoping

 

[Sun Chariot]

Though there are only a finite number of 69s to put them on, even if you were to put a different livery on either side!

I think you're onto something good there!

I've seen photos of a cl. 100 DMU painted different colours each side of each coach (2 car unit = 4 colours)....

 

[12LDA28C]

As 69005 "Eastleigh" carries Brunswick (BR loco) green, I'd guess GBRf will look to other livery options.

I don't believe 69005 is in Brunswick green, isn't it Southern Region green, or very similar?

 

[Sun Chariot]

I don't believe 69005 is in Brunswick green, isn't it Southern Region green, or very similar?

Southern multiple unit green? Possibly; I've not seen it in the metallic flesh yet. I had thought it followed the same colours 33008 had gained in the mid 1980s (if I remember, 33008 was initially turned out in a very odd shade of green, before hastily being repainted into BR loco green).

 

[12LDA28C]

Are you certain on that? I don't have pantone refs to hand but British Railways diesel loco green was Brunswick (or a shade very close); and a lighter "SR multiple unit green" for Bulleid's Boosters, HA (71) and JA (73/0).

BR green was not Brunswick green. A little internet research suggests the composition of BR green is R28 G98 B63 whereas Brunswick green is R27 G77 B62.

Southern multiple unit green? Possibly; I've not seen it in the metallic flesh yet. I had thought it followed the same colours 33008 had gained in the mid 1980s (if I remember, 33008 was initially turned out in a very odd shade of green, before hastily being repainted into BR loco green).

Pretty sure 33008 was Southern green, as it should be for a southern loco.

 

[Sun Chariot]

the composition of BR green is R28 G98 B63 whereas Brunswick green is R27 G77 B62.

Thanks, the refs I had misplaced - including the ref for the original (lighter) BR multiple unit green shade; before they, too, adopted the BR loco green.

Anyway.... is 69009 now on the move? The data received into RTT is attached.

 

[ExRes]

I quite fancy the idea of a res one!

I certainly hope not, there's no relationship between Res and 56s whatsoever so no reason to put one in that livery

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I certainly hope not, there's no relationship between Res and 56s whatsoever so no reason to put one in that livery

That doesn't seem to have held GBRf back so far!

56135 was delivered late-1984 in the then-new Railfreight all-over grey.
The bodyside red stripe livery superceded it, in mid-1987.
As the "sector" 3-tone grey livery came into effect on the 56s from 1988, it's likely - as you say - that Railfreight all over grey was carried by more 56s, than Red Stripe R/F.

Do any thread readers have a Platform 5 for Autumn 1988? That'll help us tally up the numbers of Grids in each livery.

Over the years I've seen multiple photo captions, model descriptions etc., referring to all versions of the grey livery as "Red Stripe" even if no red stripe was present. Obviously just used as a shorthand, but it led me to the impression that they were considered variants of the same livery. On a personal note the red stripe always looked out of place to me on anything slab-sided, i.e. not a 20 or 58.

 

[12LDA28C]

Over the years I've seen multiple photo captions, model descriptions etc., referring to all versions of the grey livery as "Red Stripe" even if no red stripe was present. Obviously just used as a shorthand, but it led me to the impression that they were considered variants of the same livery. On a personal note the red stripe always looked out of place to me on anything slab-sided, i.e. not a 20 or 58.

The original Railfreight livery was all over grey with wraparound yellow ends and a large BR double arrow. Red Stripe Railfreight was a subsequent development of that livery with a red lower bodyside stripe, but I've always considered it a different livery. If a loco hasn't got the lower bodyside red stripe, clearly it's not red stripe livery.

 

[43096]

The original Railfreight livery was all over grey with wraparound yellow ends and a large BR double arrow. Red Stripe Railfreight was a subsequent development of that livery with a red lower bodyside stripe, but I've always considered it a different livery. If a loco hasn't got the lower bodyside red stripe, clearly it's not red stripe livery.

It was a bit more complex than that as locos with a visible frame element (Classes 20 and 58) had the red stripe from the start. Indeed the first loco to receive Railfreight grey (58001) had red stripe from new.

 

[LUYMun]

Next one should be white, like D0260 Lion

Wouldn't be the cleanest after doing RHTT work!

 

[twpsaesneg]

Are you certain on that? I don't have pantone refs to hand but British Railways diesel loco green was Brunswick (or a shade very close); and a lighter "SR multiple unit green" for Bulleid's Boosters, HA (71) and JA (73/0).

Colour base can look wildly different depending on what it is applied to (such as different undercoats), let alone the effect of reflected light from it.


56135 was delivered late-1984 in the then-new Railfreight all-over grey.
The bodyside red stripe livery superceded it, in mid-1987.
As the "sector" 3-tone grey livery came into effect on the 56s from 1988, it's likely - as you say - that Railfreight all over grey was carried by more 56s, than Red Stripe R/F.

Do any thread readers have a Platform 5 for Autumn 1988? That'll help us tally up the numbers of Grids in each livery.

Spring 1989?

 

[Sun Chariot]

Spring 1989?

Fab - thanks

 

[twpsaesneg]

Fab - thanks

Actually- just realised that's no use to you! The book didn't differentiate between Red Stripe and normal back then. On checking the livery codes, F = Railfreight, G = Sector Grey and R = Large Logo Blue.

I think the later books split them but not in 89... sorry!

 

[12LDA28C]

Actually- just realised that's no use to you! The book didn't differentiate between Red Stripe and normal back then. On checking the livery codes, F = Railfreight, G = Sector Grey and R = Large Logo Blue.

I think the later books split them but not in 89... sorry!

To be precise, the F code in late 80s Platform 5 books specifically relates to Railfreight livery which it describes as "grey sides with red buffers and solebar" and in the Winter 1988 edition it lists many locos as F when they were in fact still in the original Railfreight grey without the red stripe.

By 1991 this had changed to FO being the original Railfreight grey described (more accurately this time) as "grey sides, yellow cabsides, red bufferbeams and full height BR logo" with FR being the red stripe version.

 

[Ciderking]

69010 heading to Eastleigh today.

0Z69 09:00 Derby RTC to Eastleigh Yard via Cheltenham / Bath / Salisbury

 

[DBS92042]

69010 heading to Eastleigh today.

0Z69 09:00 Derby RTC to Eastleigh Yard via Cheltenham / Bath / Salisbury

Gone via Nuneaton/Coventry/Oxford/Reading West due to a possession in the Washwood Heath area

 

[SEtrains]

69010 heading to Eastleigh today.

0Z69 09:00 Derby RTC to Eastleigh Yard via Cheltenham / Bath / Salisbury

I’m assuming that 69010 is going to Eastleigh for repaint

 

[David 90825]

Loco was 56065 wasn't it....56065 - D1065

As mentioned in #937 of this thread, on WNXX, and in the Platform 5 books, 56065 was supposed to be numbered 69010 with the former 56060 becoming 69009. Have the plans changed without anyone noticing? Perhaps the wrong locomotive has been painted maroon and named? Someone will know.

 

[Trainman40083]

I’m assuming that 69010 is going to Eastleigh for repaint

Seemingly not.

 

[SEtrains]

As mentioned in #937 of this thread, on WNXX, and in the Platform 5 books, 56065 was supposed to be numbered 69010 with the former 56060 becoming 69009. Have the plans changed without anyone noticing? Perhaps the wrong locomotive has been painted maroon and named? Someone will know.

56065 is 69010 and 56060 is 69009. Evidence down below in gbrf article https://www.gbrailfreight.com/gb-railfreight-repaints-converted-69009-with-a-classic-maroon-livery/

 

[Sun Chariot]

56065 is 69010 and 56060 is 69009. Evidence down below in gbrf article https://www.gbrailfreight.com/gb-railfreight-repaints-converted-69009-with-a-classic-maroon-livery/

Thanks. That re-ignites the question I posed in post #1100