German vigilante group vows to protect women from migrant attackers

[Antman]

is this a serious post? it reads like some kind of silly comedy sketch stereotyping the standard level of stupidity we in the UK expect from the Americans!

this can not be real!

Might help if you gave some clue as to which post you were referring to, and used capital letters where appropriate

 

[fowler9]

Having had a quick read through all the ranting on this thread it's not surprising that condemnation of the attacks in Germany has been virtually nil whilst ridiculing the messenger and the Daily Mail is seen as far more important.

I actually do condem the attacks and hope the perpertrators will be caught and punished, I realise that is not the view on here but I don't care.

Mate the reason the Daily Mail is being condemned is because an American thinks Germany is a war zone. It isn't. Some really bad things happened and it needs addressing.

 

[Johnuk123]

If it wasn't for immigrants Operation Yewtree wouldn't have been necessary. Oops.

Look mate I'm not about to start Googling rapists to prove that sexual assault isn't an immigration problem but even if I did you wouldn't believe me anyway.

I never said it was but it's a proven fact that muslim men treat women as chattels to be used and abused till they tire of them.
Any culture that forbids women to do dress how they want and go where they want and stones them to death for sex before marriage is not a culture we should be encouraging.

So when Germany imports a milllion men like that does it sound sensible to you,? young men with an alien set of religious, social and moral values repugnant to everybody other than the left.

The authoritarian left have this utopian idea of the future where truth can be totally distorted for more noble purposes.Anything that deflects from the march of socialist progress including common sense can be and is dismissed as racist.

We already have FGM which is endemic despite it being illegal for 30 years.
Not one person in this country has ever been convicted of this despicable act despite it happening to thousands and thousands of muslim girls every year.
Do you really think if it was white girls no one would have been prosecuted.Why has France prosecuted over a hundred and we haven't prosecuted one, perhaps they aren't quite so hamstrung with political correctness and fear of being called racist.

 

[Minilad]

I never said it was but it's a proven fact that muslim men treat women as chattels to be used and abused till they tire of them.
Any culture that forbids women to do dress how they want and go where they want and stones them to death for sex before marriage is not a culture we should be encouraging.

So when Germany imports a milllion men like that does it sound sensible to you,? young men with an alien set of religious, social and moral values repugnant to everybody other than the left.

The authoritarian left have this utopian idea of the future where truth can be totally distorted for more noble purposes.Anything that deflects from the march of socialist progress including common sense can be and is dismissed as racist.

We already have FGM which is endemic despite it being illegal for 30 years.
Not one person in this country has ever been convicted of this despicable act despite it happening to thousands and thousands of muslim girls every year.
Do you really think if it was white girls no one would have been prosecuted.Why has France prosecuted over a hundred and we haven't prosecuted one, perhaps they aren't quite so hamstrung with political correctness and fear of being called racist.

Every one? Proven fact?
Are you sure about that?

 

[WelshBluebird]

Regarding the actual original post - all I will say is pretty much every vigilante group is a disaster waiting to happen.

Just to point out, a ComRes poll for the BBC earlier last year concluded that 27% of British Muslims had sympathy with the motives behind the murderous attacks on Charlie Hebdo personnel in Paris, and 24% disagreed that acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet can never be justified.

http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html

Sounds like condoning terrorism to me. Although it's a minority, it's a scarily significant one.

Having sympathy for a cause does not mean you support violent acts in the name of that cause.
Lets get a bit closer to home for a second. Two examples of British terrorism over the last 50 years. The IRA and Meibion Glyndŵr.

While I am not that knowledgeable in terms of the IRA and the troubles in Ireland, at its heart the cause the IRA was fighting for was an independent united Ireland. A cause which you can certainly support without support the violent nature of the IRA campaign.

In the case of Meibion Glyndŵr many of the issues they were trying to bring attention to I have a great deal of sympathy with as a Welsh nationalist: the death of the Welsh language, the Anglicisation of many parts of Wales, housing issues due to large numbers of homes being empty for the vast majority of the year as they were owned by English people and used as holiday homes etc. I have a large amount of sympathy for those issues (and some still exist today), however that in no way at all means I would support some of the things that they carried out (fire bombing holiday homes, bombing estate agents, sending letter bombs etc).
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I never said it was but it's a proven fact that muslim men treat women as chattels to be used and abused till they tire of them.

Do they now? All muslim men?
And what about the white British men who treat women just the same?

 

[Johnuk123]

Every one? Proven fact?
Are you sure about that?

No, not every one but in Egypt for example which isn't the worse country a UN report in April said 99.3% of women and girls in Egypt had been the victim of sexual harrasment.
Do you know a woman in Saudi Arabia can't buy a Barbie doll, purchase a fashion magazine, drive a car, go swimming or try on clothes in a clothes shop.They cannot go anywhere without a chaperone.

To try and suggest that the subjugation of muslim women is not that common is misplaced.

 

[fowler9]

I never said it was but it's a proven fact that muslim men treat women as chattels to be used and abused till they tire of them.
Any culture that forbids women to do dress how they want and go where they want and stones them to death for sex before marriage is not a culture we should be encouraging.

So when Germany imports a milllion men like that does it sound sensible to you,? young men with an alien set of religious, social and moral values repugnant to everybody other than the left.

The authoritarian left have this utopian idea of the future where truth can be totally distorted for more noble purposes.Anything that deflects from the march of socialist progress including common sense can be and is dismissed as racist.

We already have FGM which is endemic despite it being illegal for 30 years.
Not one person in this country has ever been convicted of this despicable act despite it happening to thousands and thousands of muslim girls every year.
Do you really think if it was white girls no one would have been prosecuted.Why has France prosecuted over a hundred and we haven't prosecuted one, perhaps they aren't quite so hamstrung with political correctness and fear of being called racist.

"I never said it was" and then you go on to pretty much say you think it is with huge swathes of generalisations.

You say:-

"it's a proven fact that muslim men treat women as chattels to be used and abused till they tire of them."

"So when Germany imports a milllion men like that does it sound sensible to you,?"

So do you think sex abuse is an immigration issue or not?

 

[Johnuk123]

So do you think sex abuse is an immigration issue or not?

Of course it isn't, surely you can see the point that we have sex pests here already so why import thousands/miliions more of men from a culture where it's endemic.

Many on the left are tied up in knots with multiculturalism and find it impossible to pass judgment on non-Western cultures. They are far more comfortable finding fault with western society for minor inequities.

I'll ask you a question : Do you think if FGM was performed on British white girls we would have had no prosecutions ever ?

 

[fowler9]

Of course it isn't, surely you can see the point that we have sex pests here already so why import thousands/miliions more of men from a culture where it's endemic.

Many on the left are tied up in knots with multiculturalism and find it impossible to pass judgment on non-Western cultures. They are far more comfortable finding fault with western society for minor inequities.

I'll ask you a question : Do you think if FGM was performed on British white girls we would have had no prosecutions ever ?

Don't be daft. I understand a lot of the FGM is not carried out in the UK so how to stop it would be a problem. How do you go about finding families that have sent their daughters abroad to have it done? Check girls on departure and return? It is also not a religious thing, it varies greatly across regions of the world. Again you are massively generalising.

 

[Johnuk123]

Don't be daft. I understand a lot of the FGM is not carried out in the UK so how to stop it would be a problem. How do you go about finding families that have sent their daughters abroad to have it done? Check girls on departure and return? It is also not a religious thing, it varies greatly across regions of the world. Again you are massively generalising.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34335853

There were more than 1,000 newly recorded cases of female genital mutilation (FGM) in England between April and June, NHS data reveals.
For the first time the official figures were expanded to include information from general practices and mental health trusts.

Some is done here and some abroad and I say again if it was white girls the prosecution rate wouldn't be nil which even you can't disagree with or perhaps you can.

http://www.figo.org/news/50-girls-taken-uk-somalia-fgm-0015012

Reports that at least 50 girls were taken from the UK to Somalia for female genital mutilation are being investigated by Scotland Yard.
Liberal Democrat peer Baroness Tonge contacted the Metropolitan Police after spotting a large group of girls on a flight from Heathrow last Saturday.
The girls were said to be aged 11 to 17 and with their mothers or grandmothers.Lady Tonge said that both she and Ms Lynch felt the presence of so many girls at the start of the summer holidays was "suspicious", given that it was the start of the so-called "cutting season" when FGM is carried out, and she decided to raise the alarm on her return to the UK.

Probably going to Disney land in Mogadishu I expect.

 

[NY Yankee]

Well, Merkel finally got the message...

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has backed a toughening of expulsion rules for convicted refugees as protesters took to the streets against sexual attacks by gangs of migrants.

The supporters of the xenophobic Pegida and women's rights groups descended on the streets of Cologne, where many carried anti-refugee banners.

Merkel declared today that refugees who have committed a crime - even those who have not been given jail terms - should be required to leave Germany.


'If the law does not suffice, then the law must be changed' she said, vowing action to protect not just German citizens, but innocent refugees too.

Outrage is growing in Germany over the revelations that hundreds of women ran a gauntlet of groping hands, lewd insults and robberies in mob violence last week in the western city.

At least 379 cases of violence on New Year's Eve in Cologne have been filed, with asylum seekers and illegal immigrants making up the vast majority of suspects, police said today.

The police said around 40 per cent of those case related to sexual assault and they are mostly investigating 'people from North African countries'.

Around 100 investigators are now looking into whether charges can be brought against the suspects.

Cologne police chief Wolfgang Albers was suspended yesterday after his force came under fire for failing to prevent the shocking night of crime, despite heightened police presence on New Year's Eve.

Witnesses described terrifying scenes of women running the 'gauntlet' of groping hands, lewd insults and robberies in the mob violence.


German federal police said they had identified 32 people who were suspected of playing a role in the violence, 22 of whom were in the process of seeking asylum in Germany.

Officers found a note on one of the arrested men containing Arabic-German translations for phrases including 'nice breasts', 'I'll kill you' and 'I want to have sex with you'.

The majority of suspects identified by federal police are also migrants, adding fuel to criticism of Merkel's liberal migrant policy - which brought 1.1million new asylum seekers to Germany last year.

Around 1,700 protesters from the anti-Islam Pegida movement were kept apart from 1,300 counter demonstrators as tension mounted on the streets of Cologne. Police deployed water cannon and pepper spray in an attempt to disperse some of the more aggressive protesters.

Waving German flags and signs meaning 'Rapefugees not welcome', 'Germany survived war, plague and cholera, but Merkel?', hundreds of Pegida supporters shouted 'Merkel raus' (Merkel out).

In response, counter-protesters, separated by police, chanted 'Nazis raus' at the site, where earlier, some 500 protesters, mostly women, had held a noisy rally against sexist violence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3391678/Feminists-far-right-groups-hold-separate-rallies-Cologne-Merkel-backs-new-powers-expel-migrant-criminals-wave-sex-assaults.html?ito=social-facebook

Merkel finally listened to her people. Had she kept being politically correct and placating the refugees then in about 10 years, there would be Sharia Law in Germany. I'll reiterate than anyone should be able to emigrate to any country of their choosing, as long as they respect the rights of the people in the respective country. I've met Germans and they're some of the nicest people. It's a shame how their tranquility is being disturbed by SOME refugees. Of course, some of the protesters are taking it too far. The Pegida
movement exploited the rapes and used that as a pretense for banning all refugees.

The majority of refugees are decent people who want to become productive members of society. However, quite a few of them intend to impose Sharia Law in Western Europe. Merkel is (attempting to) create a safe and comfortable environment for the refugees while extricating the members of ISIS who snuck into the country along with the refugees. Hopefully, the situation will be resolved.

 

[fowler9]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34335853



Some is done here and some abroad and I say again if it was white girls the prosecution rate wouldn't be nil which even you can't disagree with or perhaps you can.

http://www.figo.org/news/50-girls-taken-uk-somalia-fgm-0015012



Probably going to Disney land in Mogadishu I expect.

Mate you are talking rubbish now. I never tried to deny it happens here. Whether or not people get prosecuted for it or not is not down to me and of course I think they should be prosecuted. You are making some mad leap from immigration to all immigrants having evil intent to white girls suffering FGM. One of my best mates is a Muslim and they had a hog roast at his wedding. You'll probably have a go at him now for not being a proper muslim.

You are picking on a tiny minority of society and making out that it is a problem with everyone from.... well I don't even know where, North Africa, the Arabic nations etc. You aren't a racist because Islam is not a race, I guess you are just a bigot.

 

[reb0118]

So when Germany imports a million men like that [misogynists] does it sound sensible to you,?"

No, it certainly does not sound sensible to me. Bringing it back to UK immigration up until relatively recently most of our "coloured" immigrants came from an Empire or Commonwealth background and had at the very least an understanding of our civil mores and a respect for the rule of law. Generally speaking I have never felt any fear or tensions when dealing with these immigrants or their descendants - whom I regard as British as you or me.

In my travels throughout Europe I have seen a different face to immigration esp. in Paris, Brussels, & Copenhagen. There I see ghettos, a general lack of integration, & an attitude of suspicion between the host nation & the immigrant population. Where there is a level of contact it seems to be in the more seedy & sleazy elements of society - viz. dodgy (and maybe not so dodgy) bars, strip joints and the sex trade.

In mainland Europe I do feel the tension that I generally do not feel here - I realise that it is subjective and non tangible but I feel it nevertheless.

Allowing unfettered immigration into Europe (& I appreciate that there are sound humanitarian reasons for doing so) is wrong! Why? Because, unlike in the UK, there is a strong underlying fascist minority there - almost like a dormant cancer. Europeans will take so much & I fear the backlash when the bubble busts. Only time will tell. Let us hope that I am wrong........

So do you think sex abuse is an immigration issue or not?

Sex abuse is not an immigration issue per se. However if you allow large groups of men who in general have little regard for their own womankind and even less for ours you are only exacerbating the problem. There is definitely a cultural element to Middle Eastern (extending across to Pakistan) manhood that is paternalistic at best and downright misogynist at worst.

Rather than having to accept this large flow of immigrants (understanding of course why they are fleeing their homelands) surely it would be better to bring peace (even if it takes war to do so) to the affected areas.

Areas of the world in turmoil should be assigned by the United Nations to stronger nations that can run their affairs for them until they are able to stand on their own. We could call this a UN Mandate. Mandates would have to run for a suitable length of time (no less than 25 years) until such times as the UN felt that the mandated territory was right for self governing. The mandated territory would also have the option, by plebiscite, to remain under trust if it so desired. The rule law must be brought back to the Middle East before the chaos spreads to other areas - if it is not too late.......

Back on topic. I have (amongst others) two female friends in Europe. One in Germany & one in Denmark. Both are normal well adjusted people. Both have no time for Arab/Middle Eastern men due to the way they are treated by them when out and about minding their own business - unfortunately they are not alone. I pray for their safety.

We do have a problem in Europe with Arab/Middle Eastern/Muslim immigration - it might not be as bad as the doom merchants say but if we do not acknowledge the problem then we may have to deal with the fascist backlash to this problem - nobody wants that.

 

[Johnuk123]

You are just a bigot.

Oh dear oh dear.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Would I be right in thinking that most, if not all, the vast majority of the responses made on this thread have been made by male forum members, but I really would appreciate some postings from female forum members to give their perspective upon the various points that have been raised so far.

 

[Johnuk123]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3392189/SAIRA-KHAN-Asian-woman-know-misogyny-well.html

Good piece by the Asian business woman Saira Khan who speaks from first hand knowledge but because it's in the Daily Mail it will be sneered at by the left as they are in total denial of any problem whatsoever.
This woman knows the truth as she's Asian and can speak from experience, she firmly answers the apologists who claim the problem is tiny when it clearly isn't.

Having grown up in an Asian Muslim household and community in Britain, I can recognise the symptoms all too clearly. Along with my female Asian friends, I saw Asian men ‘get away with murder’, while as girls, we were strictly controlled – what we said, who we said it to, where we went, what we wore, who we married. As women, our conduct, behaviour and reputation all had a bearing on the family’s ‘honour’ – and to dishonour the family could mean death.
The Asian culture I grew up in was misogynistic – and it still is.
Understanding how African and Asian men view and treat women in their own countries is crucial when dealing with the migrant crisis – because only when we understand their cultural practices can we help them to integrate. They need to understand that women are deemed equal to men in Western societies.
Here in the West, we need to stop burying our heads in the sand and accept that Asian, Arab and African men grow up in societies where misogyny is the cultural norm. We need to talk about it so we can change it.
Ignoring it, like the BBC did, is just condoning it. If we are allowing people to come in, we must also make sure that we are not blinded by some truths which are hard to swallow.
It is a betrayal of the truth, of the majority of decent migrants and – most of all – of women who must not see progress turned back for the sake of accommodating a medieval world view.

 

[fowler9]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3392189/SAIRA-KHAN-Asian-woman-know-misogyny-well.html

Good piece by the Asian business woman Saira Khan who speaks from first hand knowledge but because it's in the Daily Mail it will be sneered at by the left as they are in total denial of any problem whatsoever.
This woman knows the truth as she's Asian and can speak from experience, she firmly answers the apologists who claim the problem is tiny when it clearly isn't.

O.K. mate, I think we disagree over some points but I take on board what you are saying such as the above.

 

[zuriblue]

The vigilantes in action

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ce-arrest-211-after-far-right-riot-in-leipzig

More than 200 rightwing rioters have been arrested after going on an anti-immigrant rampage around the eastern city of Leipzig, erecting barricades and setting a building on fire.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/26/football-fans-neo-nazis-riot-cologne

Football hooligans and members of the German far right clashed with riot police in the centre of Cologne on Sunday as a demonstration against Islamic extremism turned violent.

About 4,000 hardline football fans and members of neo-Nazi organisations gathered under the banner “Hooligans against Salafists”. The march had been registered by a regional far-right party, called “Pro NRW”.

A counter demonstration under the motto “Shoulder to shoulder against racism and religious extremism”, organised by anti-fascist activists, had drew about 500 people.

Cologne newspaper Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger said drunken protesters hurled bottles, rocks, fireworks and bicycles at police, injuring at least 44. One police van was tipped over. Some of the protesters were reportedly shouting “Foreigners out” and “Free, social and national: National Socialism now”.

The thing is that none of these idiots gave a monkeys about women's rights until it gave them an excuse to have a ruck.

 

[DarloRich]

Might help if you gave some clue as to which post you were referring to, and used capital letters where appropriate

Apologies for my dyslexia - unlike you we can not all be perfect - it make proof reading hard at times, especially if something is dashed off.It should be quite clear what the post referred to (:roll but for the avoidance of doubt that was the initial post with such insightful comments as:

I'm...American

In the span of a few months, these "migrants" turned the once beautiful Germany into a warzone.

I think there are more Indian people in London than white Brits

Immigration is good if the immigrants assimilate and adopt the culture of the host country. However, when immigrants impose their beliefs on the natives, that's when there's a problem

and then subsequently:

Both CNN and the Daily Mail gave the impression that women were being attacked by gangs of Syrian refugees on a daily basis and that half of the refugees were affiliated with ISIS

I've read the comments sections of the Daily Mail and Facebook. Almost everyone despises Merkel.

There were many small German towns that were overwhelmed by the number of refugees. Let me give you another example: the UK is the greatest country in the world, we all know that. However, imagine if the entire population of Sudan emigrated to the UK. They came with no background checks and there wasn't a limit on the amount of people who came. And let's also imagine that instead of learning English and adopting a Cockney accent, they spoke in their native tongue. They also refused to acknowledge British holidays like Boxing Day and the Bank Holiday. They also desired to impose Sharia Law on British women. That's what's happening in Germany.

Again, CNN and the Daily Mail gave the impression that Germany turned into Iraq.

I've watched hundreds of travel videos on YouTube. It seems like for every white Brit, there are three Indians. And there's nothing wrong with that since the Indians speak in Cockney accents and assimilated into the mainstream culture.

If I moved into the UK then I would adopt a Cockney accent, obey the laws of the country, and act like the natives in the country. Hypothetically, if I moved to Russia, I'd speak in a Russian accent and learn Russian. I'd also celebrate Russian holidays. Asking someone to assimilate isn't being anti-immigration.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Over the last five years in Britain, there have been successful convictions of groups of men from different areas of the country who have preyed upon and groomed young vulnerable teenaged girls for purposes of personal sexual gratification.

There does seem a linkage to certain cultural bodies among these, but before anyone accuses me at pointing the finger of accusation at the followers of the Islamic faiths, a view of those Hindu men in India who carry out group rapes seem to suggest a cultural rather than a religious view of women as being of a lower order than men.

 

[fowler9]

Over the last five years in Britain, there have been successful convictions of groups of men from different areas of the country who have preyed upon and groomed young vulnerable teenaged girls for purposes of personal sexual gratification.

There does seem a linkage to certain cultural bodies among these, but before anyone accuses me at pointing the finger of accusation at the followers of the Islamic faiths, a view of those Hindu men in India who carry out group rapes seem to suggest a cultural rather than a religious view of women as being of a lower order than men.

To be honest mate I didn't think you were being racist or against a certain religion. I thought you meant the BBC until I read the second paragraph.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It appears that the problem was not just confined to Cologne on that particular night and from reports from women who had been humiliated seemed to have one thing in common in that each incident, a group of men surrounded each of the women before an attack was then made. That sounds very worrying indeed.

 

[NY Yankee]

The vigilantes in action

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ce-arrest-211-after-far-right-riot-in-leipzig



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/26/football-fans-neo-nazis-riot-cologne



The thing is that none of these idiots gave a monkeys about women's rights until it gave them an excuse to have a ruck.

They can't distinguish between immigrants and terrorists. Like I said before, there's nothing wrong with immigration as long as the immigrants respect the rights of the native citizens. For example, many immigrants from Jamaica, Nigeria, and India emigrate to Great Britain. There's nothing wrong with that since they assimilate into the mainstream society. They're productive people who contribute to society. Most Britons treat immigrants with respect. During Notting Hill Carnival, both Jamaicans and white Britons have fun.

And there's the other side of the equation. In Birmingham, some Muslims are attempting to enforce Sharia Law. It goes against the values of a democratic society like the UK. Nevertheless, it's unfair to antagonise all of the immigrants because of the actions of a few miscreants. Two wrongs don't make a right. The Neo-Nazis are exploiting this crisis.

 

[DarloRich]

And there's the other side of the equation. In Birmingham, some Muslims are attempting to enforce Sharia Law. It goes against the values of a democratic society like the UK. Nevertheless, it's unfair to antagonise all of the immigrants because of the actions of a few miscreants. Two wrongs don't make a right. The Neo-Nazis are exploiting this crisis.

No they are not! Please do try to avoid reading and believing things like this:

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jan/11/fox-news-steven-emerson-birmingham-muslims

Guardian:

Birmingham is ‘totally Muslim’ city, claims Fox News pundit

and

He said: “In Britain, it’s not just no-go zones, there are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don’t go in.

“And, parts of London, there are actually Muslim religious police that actually beat and actually wound seriously anyone who doesn’t dress according to religious Muslim attire.”

I am sure the c.850,000 non muslim residents of Birmingham might want to complain about becoming subject to an new code of laws!

 

[90019]

They can't distinguish between immigrants and terrorists.

They often can't distinguish natives from terrorists either, so presumably they should kick everyone out of the country just in case?

And there's the other side of the equation. In Birmingham, some Muslims are attempting to enforce Sharia Law.

Someone should probably go and tell Birmingham about that, because I don't think anybody has noticed this apparent enforcement of Sharia Law that the American media has been telling you lot about.

 

[Minilad]

https://fullfact.org/law/uk_sharia_courts-39429

Well actually some aspects of Sharia Law are being used (not just in Birmingham)
Although not legally binding here of course. Mainly these councils are used to mediate in disputes

 

[WestCoast]

I am definitely not subject to Sharia Law, it might be used for some family disputes in Muslim communities but it's definitely not above English Law.

 

[DarloRich]

https://fullfact.org/law/uk_sharia_courts-39429

Well actually some aspects of Sharia Law are being used (not just in Birmingham)
Although not legally binding here of course. Mainly these councils are used to mediate in disputes

They have no legal basis other than in the sphere of arbitration/mediation where any participants agree, voluntarily, to be bound by the terms of any decision. These "courts" can’t make any decisions that are contrary to national law nor can thye override a judgement of a real court. The option to settle a commercial/personal dispute via mediation is open to any individual within the UK. The setting and form of that mediation is by mutual agreement and is often done in a non legal/formal court setting. See, for instance, mediation in family disputes.


As for the power of these courts: A Sharia "court" can complain all it likes but a Decree Absolute issued by a court overrides any of their arguments.

However the issue, if there is one, is the perception within certain sections of our community as to the nature and power of these "courts"

 

[Minilad]

Yes as I said these councils are used to settle disputes rather than actually have any legally binding power.

 

[DarloRich]

Yes as I said these councils are used to settle disputes rather than actually have any legally binding power.

exactly: the point is that mediation is open to all parties and all agree to be bound by the result. There is no power to compel.