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trwilson

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Hi All,

Im hoping someone can clarify something for me?

Most weeks i travel from wolverhampton to new brighton, this week will be on a standard off peak return. I go from wolves to lime st, then get the wirral line to new brighton

However on the OUT journey this week i would like to finish my journey early as i am meeting someone at conway park (half way along the wirral line).

Is there any possible issue with me breaking my outbound journey early? i seem to recall stories of people being fined for doing this in the past and there are ticket barriers in place

Thanks
 
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as you have a standard off-peak ticket it shouldn't be a problem as it allows break of journey.

It's only specially restricted tickets such as advances or TOC specials that don't allow this.
 

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Conway Park staff (one of my regular stations) have more important things to worry about than any theoretical BoJ restrictions. As long as you've got a ticket you'll be fine.
 

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Some non-promotional normal walk-up fares also forbid break of journey. The Wolverhampton to New Brighton SVR isn't one of them though
Just for completeness, I'll mention that one of the standard off peak return tickets which does forbid break of journey on the outbound journey is Telford-New Brighton.

There are lots of off peak return tickets which do, and lots which don't. The people you buy tickets from should be able to tell you which is which.
 

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Off Peak tickets priced by Arriva Trains Wales often carry restrictions prohibiting break of journey on the outward leg of a return trip.
 

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Off Peak tickets priced by Arriva Trains Wales often carry restrictions prohibiting break of journey on the outward leg of a return trip.

What is the rationale behind such a restriction?

Why should BoJ be prohibited on one leg but permitted on the other?
 

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This used to be much more widespread.

It allows the fare setter to offer a discounted fare from A to C via B at a time when they don't want to offer a discount on A to B, typically in the morning peak for the flow A-B. Obviously the full fare A-B has to be more than the discounted A-C for it to be an issue.

I recall many years ago that discounted London to Edinburgh fares were valid on any train but with no outward BOJ as they were significantly cheaper than the full fare to Newcastle.
 

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The other reason is to prevent multiple uses of the ticket. In the early days of the simplification the rule was TOC decision on BoJ in both directions, and LM barred it on all their tickets as a result. Later the situation changed preventing them from doing this.
 

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I'm in no way saying you should do this, but perhaps your feeling unwell and just need a break. Perhaps just need to use the facilities beyond the gateline.
 

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This used to be much more widespread.

It allows the fare setter to offer a discounted fare from A to C via B at a time when they don't want to offer a discount on A to B, typically in the morning peak for the flow A-B. Obviously the full fare A-B has to be more than the discounted A-C for it to be an issue.

I recall many years ago that discounted London to Edinburgh fares were valid on any train but with no outward BOJ as they were significantly cheaper than the full fare to Newcastle.

Ah, thanks, that makes sense.

The other reason is to prevent multiple uses of the ticket.

You mean something like going London-Bristol one day, then Reading-Bristol two days later on the pretense that you were simply resuming your London-Bristol journey after a BoJ in Reading?
 

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I'm in no way saying you should do this, but perhaps your feeling unwell and just need a break. Perhaps just need to use the facilities beyond the gateline.
In which case the guard on the train, or platform staff at the station can endorse your ticket or (more likely) wave you through the gate line.
 

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Grimsby Town to Matlock is a trip my old parents are making next week, oddly it's cheaper than Grimsby to Derby.

My Mum & Dad are certain they'lll be able to leave the ticket barriers at Derby where a change of trains is needed so as to either get the more convient bus to a closer part of Matlock than the station or use the station's cafe while waiting.

I'm however worried that some evil barrier person wil try stealing all their money and give my dad another heart attack.

Will they be allowed to get of early at Derby?
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Grimsby Town to Matlock is a trip my old parents are making next week, oddly it's cheaper than Grimsby to Derby.

My Mum & Dad are certain they'lll be able to leave the ticket barriers at Derby where a change of trains is needed so as to either get the more convient bus to a closer part of Matlock than the station or use the station's cafe while waiting.

I'm however worried that some evil barrier person wil try stealing all their money and give my dad another heart attack.

Will they be allowed to get of early at Derby?
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They should be perfectly fine getting out of the Station. Unless the tickets they have are advanced.
 

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They have Advanced tickets, does that mean they can't use the station cafe past the barriers?
The T&Cs for Advance tickets only place a prohibition on break of journey other than to make a connection, they don't require you to stay on the platform. If the coffee shop is in the station premises then it's not a BOJ.

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Grimsby Town to Matlock is a trip my old parents are making next week, oddly it's cheaper than Grimsby to Derby.

My Mum & Dad are certain they'lll be able to leave the ticket barriers at Derby where a change of trains is needed so as to either get the more convient bus to a closer part of Matlock than the station or use the station's cafe while waiting.

I'm however worried that some evil barrier person wil try stealing all their money and give my dad another heart attack.

Will they be allowed to get of early at Derby?
Thanks

Depends on the ticket.

Stopping short is okay on anytime tickets, and often okay on off Peak tickets (depends on the ticket and the leg).

On an advance ticket officially speaking its not, but I am lead to believe that TOCs usually look the other way. Try it at your own risk.

Using the station facilities is permitted, so they should be able to use the Station Cafe even if it is beyond the barrier. How one stops someone using a station facility from then walking out the station door I can't say.
 
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They have Advanced tickets, does that mean they can't use the station cafe past the barriers?
Advance (a ticket type) or 'advanced' flexible tickets (not a ticket type)?

The former doesn't allow station exit mid journey, the latter normally will allow it. Accessing the cafe on station premises is allowed on all ticket types.
 

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Grimsby Town to Matlock is a trip my old parents are making next week, oddly it's cheaper than Grimsby to Derby.

My Mum & Dad are certain they'lll be able to leave the ticket barriers at Derby where a change of trains is needed so as to either get the more convient bus to a closer part of Matlock than the station or use the station's cafe while waiting.

I'm however worried that some evil barrier person wil try stealing all their money and give my dad another heart attack.

Will they be allowed to get of early at Derby?
Thanks

Firstly I'm puzzled by the assertion that Grimsby to Matlock is cheaper than Grimsby to Derby. Each tier of advance fares is exactly the same price, so unless a quota was close to exhaustion when they were checking it should have been the same price. I'm fairly certain the Derby to Matlock branch won't be quota controlled. Walk-up tickets are all cheaper to Derby than Matlock as you'd expect.

More importantly, because the advance prices are the same you will not be depriving the railway of revenue by finishing early. In this situation the TOC is supposed to show common sense and allow finishing early. They should definitely be allowed to utilise station facilities outside the paid area of the platforms, and once in the cafe it is extremely unlikely that any attempt would made to stop them leaving.
 

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Firstly I'm puzzled by the assertion that Grimsby to Matlock is cheaper than Grimsby to Derby. Each tier of advance fares is exactly the same price, so unless a quota was close to exhaustion when they were checking it should have been the same price.
I suppose the journey planner might have suggested a different train for the Sheffield-Derby leg with the different destinations. One may have a plentiful advance quota remaining the other none at all.

My advice is the same, if they wish to use the buffet on the concourse, just tell the barrier bert that is what they want to do. The Conditions of Carriage specifically state that using station facilities does not count as break of journey.

If they wish to get the bus instead of the train to Matlock, then technically not valid but I suspect if they ask the question at the barrier they won't be declined.
 
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