Glasgow to Bradford/Leeds open return

[route101]

Does this ticket still exist or is it single leg pricing? Could only see off peak singles.

 

[hexagon789]

Does this ticket still exist or is it single leg pricing? Could only see off peak singles.

There appears to be an Anytime Return (via Appleby) for £74.70 to either Leeds or Bradford from Glasgow (price is the same to both):

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Standard​ RETURN​	ANYTIME R SOR​
Fares Period​	From 1 Apr 25​
From​	GLASGOW CEN/QST​	​	​
To​	LEEDS​	​	​
Route​	VIA APPLEBY​

 

[J.C.]

There's an Anytime Short Return (£163), Off Peak Return (£117.70) and Club 55 Return (£25) from Leeds marked 'TPE only' from Leeds to Glasgow according to BRFares.com.

 

[Watershed]

Does this ticket still exist or is it single leg pricing? Could only see off peak singles.

The 'Any Permitted' fares are priced by LNER and have been "simplified" , i.e. the return fares removed and the singles reduced to ~55% of the previous return fare.

You can still get returns priced by Northern and TPE.

 

[lyndhurst25]

So, if you buy an Anytime Return “via Appleby” (SOR £74.70) and on the way back decide to avoid Appleby and also use an Avanti or LNER service, how do you calculate the excess fare? [Glasgow to Leeds singles “Any Permitted” - SVS is £73.10, SOS is £80.70). Just interested how this should be done.

 

[Watershed]

So, if you buy an Anytime Return “via Appleby” (SOR £74.10) and on the way back decide to avoid Appleby and also use an Avanti or LNER service, how do you calculate the excess fare? [Glasgow to Leeds singles “Any Permitted” - SVS is £73.10, SOS is £80.70). Just interested how this should be done.

The internal excess fares procedures state that:

If no Return fare exists, use TWICE the Single fare

but this is only stated under the section which deals with excessing a return ticket for travel via a different route in both directions.

Presumably it's also intended to apply if excessing a return ticket only in one direction, but that isn't explicitly stated and I can see a lot of staff struggling with this and getting the calculation wrong.

Heck, even a garden-variety excess from one return to another can be calculated wrongly by 3 different members of ticket office staff at a Travel Centre, so I wouldn't hold out much hope...

This is one of the many problems that LNER appear not to have thought about when they abolished most of their return fares. Most of the decision-makers probably hadn't even heard of excess fares.

 

[jamiearmley]

The internal excess fares procedures state that:

but this is only stated under the section which deals with excessing a return ticket for travel via a different route in both directions.

Presumably it's also intended to apply if excessing a return ticket only in one direction, but that isn't explicitly stated and I can see a lot of staff struggling with this and getting the calculation wrong.

Heck, even a garden-variety excess from one return to another can be calculated wrongly by 3 different members of ticket office staff at a Travel Centre, so I wouldn't hold out much hope...

This is one of the many problems that LNER appear not to have thought about when they abolished most of their return fares. Most of the decision-makers probably hadn't even heard of excess fares.

With the stuff I'm hearing lately, I'd wager that the decision makers not only have no idea about excess fares, but also don't understand ticketing full stop, the NRCoT, consumer law, RORA, general human behaviour, or the scale of the mess they are creating.

It's a worry.

 

[lyndhurst25]

For the excess fare, traveling off-peak: the off-peak “Any Permitted” single SVS is £73.10, so the excess should surely be less than that.

The question is how much “credit” should be deducted from that amount, given that I already hold an Anytime Return SOR “via Appleby” that cost me £74.70. Is it half of £74.70 i.e. £37.35, giving an excess fare of £35.75?

Or, does my SOR return count as two equivalent “via Appleby” SDS singles at £59.80 each, giving an excess fare of £13.30? Wishful thinking, but why should all this converting returns into singles always favour the railway?

 

[Watershed]

I think the intended method is to compare the cost of the ticket held ("via Appleby" SOR) with the cost of a notional "Any Permitted" return priced based on twice the cost of the "Any Permitted" single. That would make the calculations:

£73.10 × 2 = £146.20 notional "Any Permitted" return
£146.20 - £74.70 = £71.50 difference if excessing both ways
£71.50 ÷ 2 = £35.75 if excessing only in one direction