Great Western Livery

[PHILIPE]

Understand GWR 150233 and 150248 being reformed back to their 2 Car formations at PM today.

 

[Mintona]

150933 and the extra carriage of 150248 (I forget which) were all at St Philip's Marsh last night, and not coming out to play today, so I'd say there's a good chance that's spot on.

 

[Parallel]

Does anyone know which 150/2(s) are at Wolverton/the next to go to Wolverton?

 

[superalbs]

Came across this image of 387131 in branded GWR livery: https://flic.kr/p/LyPxiL

 

[Mordac]

Understand GWR 150233 and 150248 being reformed back to their 2 Car formations at PM today.

Once this is done, which 150/9 will still be extant?

 

[PHILIPE]

Once this is done, which 150/9 will still be extant?

There is still 150938 which is awaiting a carriage from 150219 to return from Brodies following Plymouth collision damage when 150219 and 150238 can revert to their normal 2 Car formations. 150933 and 150938 were only temporary formations so don't forget the permanent formations of 150925 and 150926.

 

[Mordac]

There is still 150938 which is awaiting a carriage from 150219 to return from Brodies following Plymouth collision damage when 150219 and 150238 can revert to their normal 2 Car formations. 150933 and 150938 were only temporary formations so don't forget the permanent formations of 150925 and 150926.

I see, thanks. The latter two I wasn't sure about. So will 150925 and 6 be leaving to join Northern with the 150/1s?

 

[PHILIPE]

I see, thanks. The latter two I wasn't sure about. So will 150925 and 6 be leaving to join Northern with the 150/1s?

That's the plan, reformed into 3x2 Car Units. One of the present centre cars will be fitted with a toilet. This has been mentioned several times on he Forum in various threads.

 

[Mordac]

That's the plan, reformed into 3x2 Car Units. One of the present centre cars will be fitted with a toilet. This has been mentioned several times on he Forum in various threads.

Thanks, and sorry, I just hadn't come across it.

 

[PHILIPE]

Once this is done, which 150/9 will still be extant?

Didn't reply direct but earlier post points to 150933
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Does anyone know which 150/2(s) are at Wolverton/the next to go to Wolverton?

I've lost track of what is currently at Wolverton, but 150263 went today

 

[cactustwirly]

Does 165101 have air cooling fitted? Or is it just DDA mods

 

[jimm]

Does 165101 have air cooling fitted? Or is it just DDA mods

No. The contract with Wolverton is just for installation of the accessible toilets, other DDA modifications and a coat of paint.

 

[superalbs]

150248 has entered service some time recently, as shown in this photo:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32929427@N06/29566860175/

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

I was on a railtour a few days ago that went through the GW area and saw some of teh new green livery for the first time, it was mainly on the 2 or 3 carriage units, although I did an HST with the front and back power/driving cars being in the new livery, but all the passenger coaches were still in the old livery.

(Are GW HSTS always only 8 carriages?)

I Think I may have also seen a five car GW Intercity type train, but it was not the normal DMU units or a shorted HST, I know they did some a few years ago, but I thought they no longer used them?

 

[jopsuk]

GW HSTs are, throughout, 8 cars. Up until a few years ago they still had a few 7-car formations.

GW are currently using a small number of Class 180s

 

[jimm]

GW HSTs are, throughout, 8 cars. Up until a few years ago they still had a few 7-car formations.

What actually happened with the GW HST fleet was that they were all lengthened to eight coaches in the latter years of BR, but a decade ago, the then FGW management decided it was going to get rid of buffet cars in sets that spent most of the time working shorter-distance services which didn't need kitchen facilities, principally to Bristol and Cardiff, and have trolley catering instead.

The next FGW management team preferred buffets, so had mini-buffet coaches created for use in the seven-car sets, but growth in passenger traffic then led to a decision to insert another standard open coach into the seven-car sets to get them back to eight-coach formations - some of the extra TSOs were converted from redundant buffet cars that had been removed from previous eight-coach formations.

Hope that all makes sense....

FGW took back five Class 180s in 2012. They are due to remain with GWR until the end of next year, by which time there should be enough Class 800s in service to replace them on Oxford/Cotswold Line duties.

 

[Master29]

There are still a few 7 car formations around I often see.

 

[JN114]

There are still a few 7 car formations around I often see.

You only get 2+7 sets when a vehicle has been removed for maintenance - the "booked" formation for all GW HST sets is 8 vehicles.

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

What actually happened with the GW HST fleet was that they were all lengthened to eight coaches in the latter years of BR, but a decade ago, the then FGW management decided it was going to get rid of buffet cars in sets that spent most of the time working shorter-distance services which didn't need kitchen facilities, principally to Bristol and Cardiff, and have trolley catering instead.

The next FGW management team preferred buffets, so had mini-buffet coaches created for use in the seven-car sets, but growth in passenger traffic then led to a decision to insert another standard open coach into the seven-car sets to get them back to eight-coach formations - some of the extra TSOs were converted from redundant buffet cars that had been removed from previous eight-coach formations.

Hope that all makes sense....

FGW took back five Class 180s in 2012. They are due to remain with GWR until the end of next year, by which time there should be enough Class 800s in service to replace them on Oxford/Cotswold Line duties.

Thank you for the explanations. As GW services always seem busy, would it be possible or logical to add a 9th or even 10th carriage. When the new trains come in, will they have a larger passenger carrying capacity?

 

[jimm]

Thank you for the explanations. As GW services always seem busy, would it be possible or logical to add a 9th or even 10th carriage. When the new trains come in, will they have a larger passenger carrying capacity?

No one is going to bother with the HSTs' remaining time on GWR so limited - and are precious few spare Mk3s going in the first place. There would also be performance implications from extra weight, especially on West Country services that have to climb the hills in Devon. The 800s and 802s will indeed boost seating capacity.

But maybe we could leave it at that, as we're getting away from the topic of GWR livery now.

 

[talltim]

The thought briefly crossed my mind, but with the thinner (and multiple) stripes in a darker and less yellow shade of gold I don't think that there's much of a resemblance. Though it wasn't a particularly serious comment in the first place.

If you wanted to liken it to a US livery then it is more like the B&M's, and even then not very similar
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net...P9_77_2.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20120711191632

 

[PHILIPE]

158957 gone into Barton Hill as the next one to be done following 956. It's not a bad time to be done now when, overall, there are less trains or legs of trains running due to Severn Tunnel closure.

 

[co-tr-paul]

"New" "T"SOD 12142 for Night Riviera stock now delivered to us and MAY be in Wednesday nights up rake thus making it the first wholly green set to run.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

All three green power cars were at Paddington simultaneously this morning; 43187 and 43188 on the full green rake and the other one on - obviously - a blue rake.

 

[Rhydgaled]

All three green power cars were at Paddington simultaneously this morning; 43187 and 43188 on the full green rake and the other one on - obviously - a blue rake.

Three green power cars? I thought there were four (five if you count 'Harry Patch', not sure if that power car is black or green) and two full green rakes (only one is internally refreshed though).

 

[MatthewRead]

Three green power cars? I thought there were four (five if you count 'Harry Patch', not sure if that power car is black or green) and two full green rakes (only one is internally refreshed though).

I thought they both were?

 

[Rhydgaled]

I thought they both were?

Maybe both sets are internally refreshed, I've not been on either. I seem to recall reading however a post that said the second set still had blue seats.

 

[43096]

Maybe both sets are internally refreshed, I've not been on either. I seem to recall reading however a post that said the second set still had blue seats.

Correct. One set has the new interior, other one is FGW standard.

 

[co-tr-paul]

LA15, new. LA16 old.

 

[MatthewRead]

Surely the mini HST sets will receive the green interior.