but the Aventra numbers are really on liable to small adjustment, not massive changes, so that means a 5-car (120m) Class 720 will probably have more seats than 2x4 car (160m) Class 360.
Cosy.
So essentially going to gain about 16 seats and lose approx 100 standing I would say then? That's going to be fun on trains like I've been on last week and going to cause more overcrowding based on current timetable.
They might be boxing themselves it later on if stations cannot take ten cars but five are not enough with the reduction of standing capacity. Two of the emus I've been on its been physically impossible to get any more people on in carriages I have been in.
With that in mild there is no way first class should be on these new suburban units unless they are declassified when the train is busy.
There is seat testing going on at Ipswich today if anyone is interested at least this morning. Typically it was the one day I got stuck in traffic and had to run for train so didn't get chance myself!
Think there might be a roadshow going on.
Any pictures and feedback from those who got to go?There is seat testing going on at Ipswich today if anyone is interested at least this morning. Typically it was the one day I got stuck in traffic and had to run for train so didn't get chance myself!
Think there might be a roadshow going on.
I may have missed a trick but Stadler or Aventra seats. If they were both from the latter then we may have a development here.
I'd like to try one as they're an interesting departure from the norm, but I'm not optimistic the 745s will be seen as much of an upgrade for users of either route really, other than that they won't be falling to bits like the Mk3s and may offer capacity benefits to peak services and StanEx users, being fixed formation.
We'll see though. I'll try and make it down to the Liverpool Street test in the morning session and see what's what.
Nah, no way - it's definitely being spun as a PR event about the new trains. I could try grabbing a photo but that won't help with the VR experience! Realistically the mockups you've seen discussed already probably give you all you need to know in terms of appearance. It's how the seat actually feels to sit in that I'm curious about.
Agreed, but if you have been on any Stadler trains in Europe you will know how good they are.Stadler are gonna have their work cut out replacing the 379 and 90+Mk3 Seats, both of which are very popular!
Agreed, but if you have been on any Stadler trains in Europe you will know how good they are.
Stadler are gonna have their work cut out replacing the 379 and 90+Mk3 Seats, both of which are very popular!
DoneNorwich to Liverpool Street and back a few times and not felt uncomfortable!Those Mk3 seats are awful if you do the full 1:50 journey. So uncomfortable.
DoneNorwich to Liverpool Street and back a few times and not felt uncomfortable!
According to the Franchise Agreement, seats per unit: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/609202/east-anglia-2016-franchise-agreement.pdf
Class 321/3 = 292
Class 321/4 = 283
Class 321 = 265
Class 360 = 264
Class 720 (5 car) = 544
Class 720 (10 car) = 1145
Until we know what the final approved design for the Aventras is, those last two figures are subject to change.
I may have missed a trick but Stadler or Aventra seats. If they were both from the latter then we may have a development here.
Stadler are gonna have their work cut out replacing the 379 and 90+Mk3 Seats, both of which are very popular!
I've been gauging the opinion of the commuters in my office who travel in from Norfolk to London. Not a scientific investigation by any means but the results are;
2) If they can get a seat, it's comfortable and has sufficient legroom, they'll be happy. (should be a "tick" given the capacity increase and none of the dreaded 3+2 seating on the Stadlers)
3) They hope the new trains will improve reliability. (Probably a "tick" if they settle down quickly)
I think it's fair to say that they have no particular attachment to the type of train, so long as it works and is comfortable from their perspective.
Agreed, but if you have been on any Stadler trains in Europe you will know how good they are.