GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[800301]

Did yesterdays 165 take on extra fuel somewhere? Can they do it at Paddington?

Didn’t need to, unit was spare and no you can’t fuel at Paddington

 

[JN114]

Did yesterdays 165 take on extra fuel somewhere? Can they do it at Paddington?

They can’t, and it would have no problems doing Paignton - Paddington and back.

The working range is 1200mi, they don’t have a fuel gauge per se (there’s a sight glass on the tanks for the pedants) - it’s one of the roles of a fleet controller to track how many miles a unit has done and ensure it gets to somewhere it can be fuelled before that number gets to 1200.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

They can’t, and it would have no problems doing Paignton - Paddington and back.

The working range is 1200mi, they don’t have a fuel gauge per se (there’s a sight glass on the tanks for the pedants) - it’s one of the roles of a fleet controller to track how many miles a unit has done and ensure it gets to somewhere it can be fuelled before that number gets to 1200.

Indeed it’s worth nothing the fuel range of a 16x is higher than the fuel range on an 80x.

 

[MasterPhillips]

Does anyone have any info as to why a new service, 3C50 now runs from Oxford to Bristol, via Reading consisting of 3x2 car Turbos as of this timetable. Was there such a service before that I just had not noticed.

 

[FGW_DID]

Does anyone have any info as to why a new service, 3C50 now runs from Oxford to Bristol, via Reading consisting of 3x2 car Turbos as of this timetable. Was there such a service before that I just had not noticed.

It’s an ECS move, turbos heading West to allow strengthening of services for the summer. It operates until September. The turbos return to the East the next day.

 

[MasterPhillips]

It’s an ECS move, turbos heading West to allow strengthening of services for the summer. It operates until September. The turbos return to the East the next day.

I did wonder if they returned at some point, just couldn’t be bothered to search through RTT to look

Pressumably the units are not needed in the East over the weekend due to no Marlow ”Donkey” service or extra Dicot to Worcester line Turbo services?

 

[Siemens Staines]

Yesterday 165125 was one of the trio of 2-cars in the weekend loan from Reading to Bristol.

Today, 165125 is shown allocated to this short formed diagram

11:35 Severn Beach to Weston-Super-Mare due 13:01
13:10 Weston-Super-Mare to Severn Beach due 14:23
14:35 Severn Beach to Weston-Super-Mare due 15:59
14:40 Westbury to Bristol Temple Meads due 15:28
16:08 Weston-Super-Mare to Severn Beach due 17:23
17:35 Severn Beach to Exeter St Davids due 19:58
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 3.

including 2C51 through to Exeter at the end. Obviously, should this occur it won't be returning to Oxford tonight. So perhaps a set swap later, or a Bristol unit will end up at Oxford tonight? I do not think Reading can afford to lose a unit because the majority of a Basingstoke diagram was cancelled yesterday due to more trains than usual needing repairs.

 

[windnoise69]

Yesterday 165125 was one of the trio of 2-cars in the weekend loan from Reading to Bristol.

Today, 165125 is shown allocated to this short formed diagram

11:35 Severn Beach to Weston-Super-Mare due 13:01
13:10 Weston-Super-Mare to Severn Beach due 14:23
14:35 Severn Beach to Weston-Super-Mare due 15:59
14:40 Westbury to Bristol Temple Meads due 15:28
16:08 Weston-Super-Mare to Severn Beach due 17:23
17:35 Severn Beach to Exeter St Davids due 19:58
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 3.

including 2C51 through to Exeter at the end. Obviously, should this occur it won't be returning to Oxford tonight. So perhaps a set swap later, or a Bristol unit will end up at Oxford tonight? I do not think Reading can afford to lose a unit because the majority of a Basingstoke diagram was cancelled yesterday due to more trains than usual needing repairs.

Being set swapped at Temple Meads on 2C51. 165125 off back to Oxford

 

[Tram203]

Yesterday 165125 was one of the trio of 2-cars in the weekend loan from Reading to Bristol.

Today, 165125 is shown allocated to this short formed diagram

11:35 Severn Beach to Weston-Super-Mare due 13:01
13:10 Weston-Super-Mare to Severn Beach due 14:23
14:35 Severn Beach to Weston-Super-Mare due 15:59
14:40 Westbury to Bristol Temple Meads due 15:28
16:08 Weston-Super-Mare to Severn Beach due 17:23
17:35 Severn Beach to Exeter St Davids due 19:58
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 3.

including 2C51 through to Exeter at the end. Obviously, should this occur it won't be returning to Oxford tonight. So perhaps a set swap later, or a Bristol unit will end up at Oxford tonight? I do not think Reading can afford to lose a unit because the majority of a Basingstoke diagram was cancelled yesterday due to more trains than usual needing repairs.

I doubt the 1440 Westbury to Bristol Temple Meads will be formed of the same unit as the other listed workings..

 

[Siemens Staines]

Thank you both for the replies. Indeed the 14.40 from Westbury should not have been included in that list. It is listed as "Will be formed of 3 coaches instead of 5." and I think that the missing 2-car is part of the diagram that 165125 should have done had it not been working to Severn Beach, but I am not certain of that.

 

[JN114]

165122 has had a jaunt up to Malvern today covering a failed IET, attaching to 121 and 128 at Oxford on return to Paddington to provide more seats for the bit of the journey they’ll be needed.

 

[Purple Train]

165122 has had a jaunt up to Malvern today covering a failed IET, attaching to 121 and 128 at Oxford on return to Paddington to provide more seats for the bit of the journey they’ll be needed.

I saw that at Reading, and it did strike me as rather weird. GWR was all over the shop this afternoon, with a trespasser between Slough and Reading, so not terribly good to hear in addition (from a traveller's perspective rather than a trainspotter's) that the Turbos had to be subbed in. I'm thankful, however, that I was only going to/from Swindon rather than Paignton! Both my IETs this weekend (9-car, for what it's worth) were wedged full and standing all the way down the aisles between Reading and Swindon, although, of course, I may just have boarded the busiest bit of the train!

 

[CR165022]

There's 5 166s on Exmouth to Paignton duties today, is this a first? Fairly sure 4 has happened before.

 

[RPI]

There's 5 166s on Exmouth to Paignton duties today, is this a first? Fairly sure 4 has happened before.

Should be 3x 166 and 1 165 Monday to Friday

 

[800301]

There is now most of the time a 2Z65 Turbo that runs fast Pad to Reading using the set off the Greenford departing at 2336, most of the time this is unadvertised but I’m pretty sure it will be running tonight

 

[JN114]

There is now most of the time a 2Z65 Turbo

Only when there’s an event on in London needing crowd relief at Paddington - it still mostly goes back ECS.

 

[LUYMun]

It would appear the Henley shuttle has been strengthened to 7 coaches for the Regatta today, as seen on Twitter: https://x.com/joshuar35073488/status/1809481463407972598

7 coach turbo anyone?

 

[Benjwri]

It would appear the Henley shuttle has been strengthened to 7 coaches for the Regatta today, as seen on Twitter: https://x.com/joshuar35073488/status/1809481463407972598

Henley turbo was always strengthened in Saturday, but the line has been closed due to a tree falling, so extra capacity was needed I believe.

 

[cactustwirly]

Henley turbo was always strengthened in Saturday, but the line has been closed due to a tree falling, so extra capacity was needed I believe.

That's normal for the regatta

 

[Snow1964]

Today 1V32 is doing Portsmouth - Worcester

seems to be a combination of truncated Portsmouth - Cardiff service and a Bristol -Worcester service

Realtime Trains | 1V32 1709 Portsmouth Harbour to Bristol Temple Meads | 14/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 1V32 1709 departure from Portsmouth Harbour to Bristol Temple Meads on 14/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Also a working in other direction, but a 2car 158, instead of 5car turbo

Realtime Trains | 1O37 1941 Worcester Foregate Street to Southampton Central | 14/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 1O37 1941 departure from Worcester Foregate Street to Southampton Central on 14/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[windnoise69]

Today 1V32 is doing Portsmouth - Worcester

seems to be a combination of truncated Portsmouth - Cardiff service and a Bristol -Worcester service

Realtime Trains | 1V32 1709 Portsmouth Harbour to Bristol Temple Meads | 14/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 1V32 1709 departure from Portsmouth Harbour to Bristol Temple Meads on 14/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Also a working in other direction, but a 2car 158, instead of 5car turbo

Realtime Trains | 1O37 1941 Worcester Foregate Street to Southampton Central | 14/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 1O37 1941 departure from Worcester Foregate Street to Southampton Central on 14/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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1o37 is booked a 2 car 158!

 

[Siemens Staines]

It’s an ECS move, turbos heading West to allow strengthening of services for the summer. It operates until September. The turbos return to the East the next day.

It looks like this Sundays return ECS move has been converted in to an IET substitution

Realtime Trains | 1A32 1857 Taunton to London Paddington | 28/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 1A32 1857 departure from Taunton to London Paddington on 28/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[RedPostJunc]

It looks like this Sundays return ECS move has been converted in to an IET substitution

Realtime Trains | 1A32 1857 Taunton to London Paddington | 28/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 1A32 1857 departure from Taunton to London Paddington on 28/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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For 2C85 1755 Bristol Temple Meads to Taunton and 1A32, RTT says "This service was cancelled due to an issue with the train crew (TG)."
But 5A96 1909 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Reading Traincare Depot, formed 165121+165127 only got as far as Temple Meads
There was a VST 1Z32 2000 Bristol Temple Meads to Reading, but RTT has no information on the formation.

 

[D7666]

There was a VST 1Z32 2000 Bristol Temple Meads to Reading, but RTT has no information on the formation.

Indeed .........

Realtime Trains | 1Z32 2000 Bristol Temple Meads to Reading | 28/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 1Z32 2000 departure from Bristol Temple Meads to Reading on 28/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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but did you spot this :

Pathed as Class 165/1 or 166 DMU
Planned for 40mph max



Data, as usual, input rubbish => rubbish output

 

[FGW_DID]

For 2C85 1755 Bristol Temple Meads to Taunton and 1A32, RTT says "This service was cancelled due to an issue with the train crew (TG)."
But 5A96 1909 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Reading Traincare Depot, formed 165121+165127 only got as far as Temple Meads
There was a VST 1Z32 2000 Bristol Temple Meads to Reading, but RTT has no information on the formation.

Indeed .........

Realtime Trains | 1Z32 2000 Bristol Temple Meads to Reading | 28/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 1Z32 2000 departure from Bristol Temple Meads to Reading on 28/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

but did you spot this :

Pathed as Class 165/1 or 166 DMU
Planned for 40mph max



Data, as usual, input rubbish => rubbish output

Formation was 165121 + 165127 + 165126.

 

[Snow1964]

The Portsmouth-Cardiff service seems to be reduced to a number of 2car trains again today.
1F05, 1F09 just 2 car
1F03, 1F07, 1F11 are 3car

 

[HamworthyGoods]

The Portsmouth-Cardiff service seems to be reduced to a number of 2car trains again today.
1F05, 1F09 just 2 car
1F03, 1F07, 1F11 are 3car

1F07 is booked 3 car east of Bristol.
1F11 is booked 3 car.

GWR west fleet is going through a challenging period of availability at the moment.

Hopefully the proposal to introduce class 175s into the fleet to give some resilience won’t be impacted by yesterdays funding cuts to the railway…

 

[Jim]

For 2C85 1755 Bristol Temple Meads to Taunton and 1A32, RTT says "This service was cancelled due to an issue with the train crew (TG)."
But 5A96 1909 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Reading Traincare Depot, formed 165121+165127 only got as far as Temple Meads
There was a VST 1Z32 2000 Bristol Temple Meads to Reading, but RTT has no information on the formation.

What has 2C85 got to do with it?

1C20 is the inward working to Taunton of 1A32
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The reason for the Turbos was backworking of 1A32 (1C35) had no driver, which would have left Stoke Gifford even shorter of IET sets (due to cancellations of down trains), so it was decided the preference was to not do this. I'm not sure why it terminated short at Reading or ran as a Zulu headcode though!

 

[louis97]

I'm not sure why it terminated short at Reading or ran as a Zulu headcode though!

I assume no driver to cover it at some point if it had ran to London? Perhaps back to Reading from London (given 1C35 had no driver).

 

[JN114]

I assume no driver to cover it at some point if it had ran to London? Perhaps back to Reading from London (given 1C35 had no driver).

I’m fairly sure our Jim had a fair hand in organising it; and his question was one of a rhetorical nature…