GWR Cornish Night Riviera Sleeper and GWR Class 57 updates from Long Rock

co-tr-paul · 4 May 2017

Can't give a date on 217. 232 will stay as spare until refurb program complete before going off-lease, again no date. Anticipate many problems uncovered when first "lounge car" arrives !!

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spark001uk · 4 May 2017

Hmm, can't wait....!

I was led to believe by on board staff last year it was going to be all leather sofa / armchair type scenario??

co-tr-paul · 5 May 2017

Correct plus bar style counter.

83G/84D · 9 May 2017

co-tr-paul said:
Last blue coach RFMB 10232 has gone into set. Tonights up (Thurs). 602 on depot this week for fitter training.

For anyone interested 10232, the last (day) coach in blue / dynamic lines, arrived at Penzance this morning on 1C99.

AnthonyRail · 9 May 2017

anyone see they did the sleeper LDN-PNZ on *all the stations* with that bloke off youtube.

co-tr-paul · 9 May 2017

Blue 10232 came out of set today (Tues) and resumed its spare status.

PHILIPE · 10 May 2017

No posts yet on fun and games with 1C99 last night. Terminated Plymouth due brake fault, loco 57602. and went forward as 5C99 at 09+12 to Long Rock. This afternoon 57603 ran as 0Z79 1312 LE Old Oak Common to Penzance, presumably for 1A40 tonight (routed via Bristol) but has turned back at Didcot and sitting at Reading.

richw · 10 May 2017

PHILIPE said:
No posts yet on fun and games with 1C99 last night. Terminated Plymouth due brake fault, loco 57602. and went forward as 5C99 at 09+12 to Long Rock. This afternoon 57603 ran as 0Z79 1312 LE Old Oak Common to Penzance, presumably for 1A40 tonight (routed via Bristol) but has turned back at Didcot and sitting at Reading.

The set was sent onwards from Plymouth empty, however I believe failed again and was placed in the sidings at Par.

co-tr-paul · 10 May 2017

Arrived Long Rock for 12ish with 602 receiving attention in shed. Set ready to go but unsure about loco... !

devonexpress · 11 May 2017

NotATrainspott said:
The challenge is that if they wait, CAF won't be as willing to produce a micro-fleet of only a dozen or so carriages for a reasonable price. It's vital for the future of the service that its stock replacement cycle is aligned with the Caledonian Sleeper. FirstGroup and Arriva had planned to refurbish the Mk3s along the lines of the Night Riviera stock and it must have taken them by surprise to see Serco come in with a new-build option. (Maybe that surprise was what drove FirstGroup to go for new build for TPE rather than loco hauled 442s like the others...?) The new franchise would be let in exactly the right time for CAF to produce a follow-on order.

Maybe thats the plan, upgrade the sleeper service for now to keep it going, then when the new franchise comes along in 2020, promise to buy a new fleet for the Night Riviera as a way of winning the franchise. To be honest, as much as I like the new style First Group, they are going to have to really put their money where their mouth is if the want to keep the GWR franchise, now that they will be getting South Western Railway and all the improved they have made to GWR and will be, it seems hard to improve the trains/passenger experience more, the only issue I see is infrastructure going forward, especially in Devon/Cornwall.

CosherB · 11 May 2017

Would there be any mileage in having the Night Riviera as a separate franchise, albeit a very small one?

221129 · 11 May 2017

CosherB said:
Would there be any mileage in having the Night Riviera as a separate franchise, albeit a very small one?

Only if it was merged with Caledonian Sleeper, but that's at best very unlikely!

co-tr-paul · 11 May 2017

It was discussed in a very small way by Dft during last but one GW franchise option when it was thinking about splitting Scotrail but decided against it. Not even mentioned for current one and yes, we expect a new vehicle requirement for next long term franchise..... .

IanXC · 11 May 2017

CosherB said:
Would there be any mileage in having the Night Riviera as a separate franchise, albeit a very small one?

At the risk of going far off topic - there was at one stage a suggestion of splitting the Berks and Hants 'far South West' InterCity services, the Night Riviera and the Devon and Cornwall branches into a separate franchise to more readily enable devolution to the Authorities of the South West.

455driver · 11 May 2017

spark001uk said:
Sorry for the ignorance Paul, have I missed something? Wasn't 10232 rusty beyond economic repair? Has another taken its place and assumed its number?

10232 is too rusty to be refurbished but fine for service in the meantime, it will be withdrawn when its replacement turns up.

AY1975 · 17 May 2017

Has anyone travelled on a refurbished GWR sleeping car yet, or seen the video clip of the refurbished interior on the GWR website? What did you make of it?

(See also the separate thread on the GWR Sleeper configuration at www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=131618.)

co-tr-paul · 17 May 2017

I can tell you what on board staff think and fitters and especially the train prep team..... !!! Mattresses are soon to be replaced due to poor quality for a start. Various comments on this thread and other forums.

Incidently, 10232 is also a different batch to other RFMBs in fleet with different buffet corridor and toilet. Bespoke parts would be required to refurbish it, costing more. Plus the rot !

co-tr-paul · 18 May 2017

Last of the 3, former TSOD B coach 12100 should arrive back to us refurbished via the sunday night down. Well thats the plan..... !

spark001uk · 18 May 2017

Are they planning an internal refurb of the A coaches do we know?

co-tr-paul · 18 May 2017

All coaches are being done.....eventually. Everything is behind schedule. Will keep informed as and when.

co-tr-paul · 22 May 2017

Well 12100 didnt arrive back from Wolverton today. But then again it should have been the second sleeper 10589 due back anyway.....!!

co-tr-paul · 26 May 2017

Veg - ex 2017 starts tomorrow ! Timings as per post 441.

co-tr-paul · 27 May 2017

May be a late start, Night Rivera due 40 late so far at PZ.

spark001uk · 28 May 2017

All ran fairly well then. Although I see 2E75 was sat at Lipson for 20mins.

co-tr-paul · 28 May 2017

There were hst problems today meaning a set swap. Air systems.

spark001uk · 29 May 2017

co-tr-paul said:
There were hst problems today meaning a set swap. Air systems.

Sorry wasn't sure if that's a reply to my post? I meant 2E75 yesterday (Saturday)

83G/84D · 12 Jun 2017

Recently refurbished sleeping car 10589 in the formation of the "down" Paddington - Penzance sleeper this morning, albeit locked out of use.

PHILIPE · 12 Jun 2017

Twice in the last week a pair of 57s have worked down on 1C99. Any info, please, or is it for Maintenance training.

83G/84D · 12 Jun 2017

The same two on each occasion, 57602 & 57603 top n' tailed.

co-tr-paul · 12 Jun 2017

Somebody broke the brake pipe London end wed/thurs last week so TnT for brake force and for sunday down, A coach removed so guard in RFMB and resulting seat capacity reduction. Currently no spare as one other still has parking brake problems awaiting spares.
10589 "should" be ready for thursday up. Long term depot train preperation staffing problems may mean quality not to usual standard either !

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