Probably not. 158s as well as the Short HSTs are taking over
I thought so. Thanks!
Probably not. 158s as well as the Short HSTs are taking over
Mainly cancelled until 10 February and unadvertised after that
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...2020-02-07/0200-0159?stp=C&show=all&order=wtt
Would some services still be 150's to allow them to get on and off Cornish branches for maintenance at Exeter or Plymouth?Probably not. 158s as well as the Short HSTs are taking over
Would some services still be 150's to allow them to get on and off Cornish branches for maintenance at Exeter or Plymouth?
Just one changeover. 150 runs ECS Newton Abbot to Laira detached off Paignton to Exmouth, stays down and then returns with last Gunnislake which runs to Exeter. Internal moves within Cornwall run as ECS between Laira, Penzance, Par and Truro wherever stabling overnight
Except the point is the rolling stock used on this route is/was typically the rolling stock also used on the Cardiff/Bristol-South west, Glos-Bristol onwards and Worcester-South route, all which have significant running over 75mph which was the response I made to the earlier comment. Jimm you responded saying there’s plenty of 100mph stock available (implied new or fairly modern) so why was 25-30 year old (90mph) stock cascaded (not all of which have arrived) and 40 year old HST stock put through a rebuild (not all of which have been completed) if is the case? It was money which then goes back to the original point of passengers on these routes being treated shoddily.
100mph-capable multiple-unit trains, old or new, of designs far more suited to Cardiff-Portsmouth operations (or Bristol-Gloucester-Worcester) are not exactly hard to find.
Both of those trains are booked 4-car 158s.To add to that, the 0540 off Penzance to Exeter should be a 6 car 158, along with the 1831 off Plymouth to Penzance should be a 6 car as well.
Both of those trains are booked 4-car 158s.
Do you know if the 1644 Penzance-Exeter service a 2+4 castle set?
There is no 1644 Penzance to Exeter in the December 2019 Timetable. In lieu, it is a 1644 Penzance to Cardiff worked by a Castle.
The confusion is probably because this thread is about the “Dec 2019 timetable”. But that doesn’t start until Sun 15th...I am travelling Tuesday 10th December, and National Rail Enquires says it is a service to Exeter St. Davids. Is this wrong?
No, my reading is it terminates at Exeter, runs ECS to Taunton before forming the 0512 to Cardiff. So it sort of does run PNZ-CDF but not usefully...I am travelling Tuesday 10th December, and National Rail Enquires says it is a service to Exeter St. Davids. Is this wrong?
This thread is in relation to the DECEMBER 2019 TIMETABLE as per the title which starts on 15 December and not the current one. Hope that clears the confusion up and why it happened
That's sounds like a mistake. Why route a non stop train through a platform line when there is a faster non platform line available?I don’t think they’ll be running the extras this side of the May timetable change.
It seems strange that a good number are routed through the 20mph Platform 1 at Swindon rather than the 85mph Up Main, presumably not to catch up with the up Swansea train in front.
That's sounds like a mistake. Why route a non stop train through a platform line when there is a faster non platform line available?
I also found an instance where an up train passes through P1 at the same time as a down train towards the Kemble line crosses from down main into P3. So running the through train round the P1 loop would allow for it being slightly late, and/or the Cheltenham train being slightly early?That's sounds like a mistake. Why route a non stop train through a platform line when there is a faster non platform line available?
Sorry to hear of your disappointment but the new timetable will last at least until May! You have oodles of time to have your intended trip. I must admit that I would like to do this one. I have 1950s memories of The Bristolian charging through Lawrence Hill on the up main each weekday taking the same trajectory.I had booked for the 0853 Bristol Temple Meads-London Paddington(calling enroute at Bristol Parkway only) and 1800 London Paddington-Bristol Temple Meads(calling enroute at Chippenham and Bath Spa only) on Monday 16th. And was REALLY looking forward to it. I am probably more enthusiastic about these new faster Bristol-London services than anyone else on here, or indeed in the entire country. I had been hoping and waiting for services like these to be introduced for about the past 18 years!!! For all these years every time the new Summer and Winter timetables are published online, I would be checking the timetables looking for proper fast services like this, but instead they'd be the same old predictable services with the usual Bristol TM-Bath Spa-Chippenham-Swindon-Reading-(Didcot Parkway, alternate services)-London Paddington stopping patterns. So when it was finally announced that these new services were being introduced on Monday 16th December, I thought "About bloody time!!" and swiftly made bookings to get journeys on them on the very first day they're running. But a case of bad timing for me, as I'm starting a new job that day and so now won't be able to goto London! Absolutely gutted! Sods law. But that's the way it is. I will have to wait a while now before I can travel to London and back on a weekday. A shame the new faster services won't be running on weekends, when it would be easier for me to travel.
Haven’t looked into it, but it’s possibly a smart way of keeping the headways between the two trains consistent.Sometimes they overtake freight trains there, as a general rule if something is planned in a timetable there is usually a reason for it even if at first glance it isn't obvious.
That's sounds like a mistake. Why route a non stop train through a platform line when there is a faster non platform line available?
Does anyone know what the 10:50ish from Penzance to Cardiff service on weekdays will be scheduled for? HST or Class 158 will suit me if I catch this from Bodmin Parkway to Bristol Temple Meads (on route back to Didcot if I do a trip to Bodmin Parkway from Didcot via Reading on the sleeper).
Either way, finally passengers will get more comfortable trains on this line! I like Class 150's but they're better on short / local / branchline routes like the Exmouth and Paignton routes etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if people who suffer overcrowding on CrossCountry's Voyager trains decide to switch to the 10:50
Having looked at RTT, it looks like swt_passenger has the answer. It's only some of the XX:52 from Temple Meads that run via platform 1.Because they depart Bristol Parkway only eight minutes behind the up Swansea which has to stop at Swindon and Reading, it ensures a gap is kept. It just feels like it could’ve been done better. I appreciate there are many other constraints.
Sorry to hear of your disappointment but the new timetable will last at least until May! You have oodles of time to have your intended trip. I must admit that I would like to do this one. I have 1950s memories of The Bristolian charging through Lawrence Hill on the up main each weekday taking the same trajectory.
I note that in the new timetable there is one train in each direction on the North Downs line per day which is shown as not having first class. Is this an error, and, if not, what on earth is the logic behind this? I also see that the stopping trains on the route now have first class again, having had it until October 2017, then losing it and now having it again - why do they keep changing this?! No-one knows where they are with this yo-yo policy. In any event, the first class is so dire that no-one seems to know whether it's real or not - instead of/as well as the stupid security announcements, why can't we have a genuinely useful recorded message about first class being in operation?
I note that in the new timetable there is one train in each direction on the North Downs line per day which is shown as not having first class. Is this an error, and, if not, what on earth is the logic behind this? I also see that the stopping trains on the route now have first class again, having had it until October 2017, then losing it and now having it again - why do they keep changing this?! No-one knows where they are with this yo-yo policy. In any event, the first class is so dire that no-one seems to know whether it's real or not - instead of/as well as the stupid security announcements, why can't we have a genuinely useful recorded message about first class being in operation?