GwR HSTs to be stood down

[Master29]

7 Sets out and about today with the return to service of GW02 and GW03.

GW02 43093 43094
GW03 43042 43162
GW05 43004 43098
GW06 43027 43097
GW07 43186 43189
GW08 43029 43154
GW09 43092 43156

Looks like they're well needed.

 

[170UTD]

GWR Power Cars (as of 15th September)

43004
43005
43009
43010
43016
43022 (exported to Mexico)
43027
43029
43040
43041
43042
43088
43092
43093
43094
43097
43098
43122
43153
43154
43155
43156
43158 (exported to Mexico)
43160
43162
43170 (exported to Mexico)
43171
43172
43186
43187
43188
43189
43192
43194
43198

Bold indicates that the power car is still in service

Please tell me about any mistakes I have made

43093 has been back out today

 

[XCTurbostar]

43170 is now Mexican FIT3007
43022 is now Mexican FIT3008

 

[The_Train]

43170 is now Mexican FIT3007
43022 is now Mexican FIT3008

Thanks for this, been asking everywhere for confirmation of this

 

[Class43lover]

43093 also back out, then.

Yay Old Oak Common is back

Where’s 43040 at the moment is it still in laira? It only recently got its new falklands war livery

 

[150249]

It was withdrawn. I can't remember if it was one of the powercars that went to Great Yarmouth

 

[43096]

Yay Old Oak Common is back

Where’s 43040 at the moment is it still in laira? It only recently got its new falklands war livery

It’s in the demic line at Great Yarmouth.

 

[Class43lover]

It was withdrawn. I can't remember if it was one of the powercars that went to Great Yarmouth

What???? That’s so sad

 

[50002Superb]

43187 and 43198 are out today with GW02

 

[The_Train]

Have those that moved to Yarmouth Carriage Sidings all moved on to the docks now, does anybody know?

I know the weather has delayed the loading of the vessel so not sure if this has meant the power cars remaining at the carriage sidings a little longer

 

[170UTD]

I know it's been mentioned in here already, but Rail Express No. 330 has confirmed (unless plans change) that they are reminding until May 2025, at which point they will be removed.

 

[irish_rail]

I know it's been mentioned in here already, but Rail Express No. 330 has confirmed (unless plans change) that they are reminding until May 2025, at which point they will be removed.

Until the plan changes again!

 

[43096]

Until the plan changes again!

There will be some serious expenditure needed if they are to go beyond them: power unit overhauls and major exams would be due.

 

[T74]

Has the boat left Yarmouth now . I was guna track it but forgot name of it anyone got a name please. Thanks

 

[Class172]

I know it's been mentioned in here already, but Rail Express No. 330 has confirmed (unless plans change) that they are reminding until May 2025, at which point they will be removed.

I cannot remember lease timings but perhaps this allows sufficient time for GWR to acquire any surplus stock from TfW displaced by the 197 introduction.

 

[The_Train]

Has the boat left Yarmouth now . I was guna track it but forgot name of it anyone got a name please. Thanks

Nope, still at loading stage although as of this morning there were at least 4 power cars still sat in the carriage sidings at Yarmouth which are due to travel on this boat

 

[57Tonic]

Has the boat left Yarmouth now . I was guna track it but forgot name of it anyone got a name please. Thanks

Looks like the PantheraJ (Strang spelling) stiill there.

 

[Jamesrob637]

I know it's been mentioned in here already, but Rail Express No. 330 has confirmed (unless plans change) that they are reminding until May 2025, at which point they will be removed.

So the 125 will grace Laira until at least summer '25

 

[irp]

So the 125 will grace Laira until at least summer '25

I'm still hoping they'll get to 50 years in passenger service! Need to squeeze an extra year or so, but looks like they will still be on deparmental duties post 2025 anyway

 

[Chester1]

I cannot remember lease timings but perhaps this allows sufficient time for GWR to acquire any surplus stock from TfW displaced by the 197 introduction.

Other operators will want the 158s too but GWR should get enough. Wasn't it reported that only 4 mini HSTs will stay until 2025? That would mean they could be replaced by only 8 of the 24 TfW 158s.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I'm still hoping they'll get to 50 years in passenger service! Need to squeeze an extra year or so, but looks like they will still be on deparmental duties post 2025 anyway

ScotRail ones will still be around.

 

[170UTD]

ScotRail ones will still be around.

Don't bet on it. I think the 222s will replace them.

 

[43096]

Don't bet on it. I think the 222s will replace them.

If that was the plan, why are ScotRail spending a load of cash on new WSP equipment for the power cars?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

If that was the plan, why are ScotRail spending a load of cash on new WSP equipment for the power cars?

There’s a requirement to do some improvements now to address some of the issues ASLEF have.

As for replacement, the Scotrail MD has been quite clear no decision has been made whether HSTs will last the length of their lease or whether alternatives will be looked at as that is a longer term question (and presumably dependent on any negotiations with ROSCOs).

The HSTs aren’t the only rolling stock has Angel has on lease to Scotrail so it is unlikely either side will want to totally upset the apple cart and sensible negotiations can take place whether that’s further modifications or a change to lease end date. From my own professional dealings with Angel they are quite sensible and realistic (look at their early termination agreement re 442 etc).

 

[ClnRe]

Does anyone have the HST diagrams for the new timetable from 10th December 2023?

 

[swt_passenger]

Does anyone have the HST diagrams for the new timetable from 10th December 2023?

We do now, as someone started another thread here:

GWR HST Last Services diagrams

I have seen on a few discord servers that the last day of GWR HST service will be the 9TH December 2023, the day before the timetable change. In particular 2C91 Cardiff Central - Bristol Temple Meads. Can anyone confirm or refute this?

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[co-tr-paul]

Maybe admin could put here to make things simpler ?

 

[Dan G]

This seems the most pertinent post from that thread:

I have these diagrams:

Monday to Friday

5C02 0606 Laira - Plymouth ECS
2C02 0638 Plymouth - Penzance
2P08 0850 Penzance - Plymouth
2C68 1142 Plymouth - Penzance
2P17 1350 Penzance - Plymouth
2C31 1555 Plymouth - Penzance
2P27 1850 Penzance - Plymouth
5P27 2109 Plymouth - Laira ECS

5C11 0945 Laira - Plymouth ECS
2C11 1015 Plymouth - Penzance
2P15 1250 Penzance - Plymouth
5P15 1453 Plymouth - Laira ECS

5C65 1002 Laira - Plymouth ECS
2C65 1042 Plymouth - Penzance
2P16 1315 Penzance - Plymouth
2C29 1547 Plymouth - Penzance
2E26 1815 Penzance - Exeter St David's
5P26 2145 Exeter St David's - Laira ECS


Saturdays

5C40 0430 Laira - Plymouth ECS
2C40 0515 Plymouth - Penzance
2P10 0740 Penzance - Plymouth
2C16 1015 Plymouth - Penzance
2P90 1315 Penzance - Plymouth
2C28 1640 Plymouth - Penzance
2P95 1930 Penzance - Plymouth
5P95 2145 Plymouth - Laira ECS

3C12 0525 Laira - Exeter St David's ECS
2C12 0722 Exeter St David's - Penzance
2P86 1113 Penznace - Plymouth
2C22 1343 Plymouth - Penzance
2P26 1548 Penzance - Plymouth
5P26 1757 Plymouth - Laira ECS

5C20 1159 Laira - Plymouth ECS
2C20 1243 Plymouth - Penzance
2P24 1515 Penzance - Plymouth
5P24 1731 Plymouth - Laira ECS


The 1555 calls at more stations, so despite leaving only 8 mins later it arrives in Penzance a full 30 mins later - by Truro the 1555 regains a the usual off-peak half-hourly pattern offset from the 1547.

To be implemented on 11 December.

 

[hexagon789]

To be implemented on 11 December.

Indeed, that being first weekday after the December timetable change occurs on Sunday, the 10th.

 

[PaulOnCastles]

Would anyone know the current status of 43194? And if likely to return at Laira?
Heard it may have been one of the few that had a power unit change?
Possibly with an exported example.