Heaton Derailment 22/03/22

[dan4291]

Rear carriage now reportedly on wheel skates, wonder where that will get moved to?
Aycliffe a possibility? Or is there space for it to be taken out by road from Tyne Yard?

Can it not be moved somewhere on Heaton itself and taken by road from there, rather than an arduous journey down the ECML?

 

[800001]

Can it not be moved somewhere on Heaton itself and taken by road from there, rather than an arduous journey down the ECML?

I don’t know what road access is like there.
Overnight move to Tyne Yard and possibility then road from there?

 

[DanNCL]

Rear carriage now reportedly on wheel skates, wonder where that will get moved to?
Aycliffe a possibility? Or is there space for it to be taken out by road from Tyne Yard?

Can it not be moved somewhere on Heaton itself and taken by road from there, rather than an arduous journey down the ECML?

It could potentially be taken out by road from the north end of Heaton, that would depend on if it’ll fit under the ECML bridge on Benfield Road (it definitely won’t fit under the Metro bridge at the other end of Benfield Road).

Tyne Yard likely wouldn’t be an option for road removal because of nearby roadworks that would make access to the A1 for a low loader difficult if not impossible.

I’d have thought Aycliffe would be the most likely option if removal directly from Heaton isn’t an option.

 

[class 9]

I'm not sure it'll go to Newton Aycliffe, as that's an assembly plant, I very much doubt they'll have the facilities or expertise to carry out repairs.

 

[DanNCL]

I'm not sure it'll go to Newton Aycliffe, as that's an assembly plant, I very much doubt they'll have the facilities or expertise to carry out repairs.

Newton Aycliffe would simply be used to remove it by road, in the absence of anywhere closer to do so. It’s been used for road access after 80xs have been accident damaged previously.

 

[800001]

I'm not sure it'll go to Newton Aycliffe, as that's an assembly plant, I very much doubt they'll have the facilities or expertise to carry out repairs.

Newton Aycliffe is where 801203 went after being hit by a car. The 2 damaged coaches were then roaded out.
Same with 800109 after Neville Hill crash, also went to Aycliffe.
Moving it to Aycliffe, if by rail, is better than sending it all the way to Doncaster on wheel skates, at 15-20mph.

 

[class 9]

Cheers DanNCL/ 800001, where have the previously damaged one's gone, Wabtec Doncaster?

 

[Twingo37175]

Cheers DanNCL/ 800001, where have the previously damaged one's gone, Wabtec Doncaster?

I assume it would be Doncaster Carr IEP depot, Wabtec have nothing to do with the 800's

 

[Class455]

Newton Aycliffe is where 801203 went after being hit by a car. The 2 damaged coaches were then roaded out.
Same with 800109 after Neville Hill crash, also went to Aycliffe.
Moving it to Aycliffe, if by rail, is better than sending it all the way to Doncaster on wheel skates, at 15-20mph.

Didn't one vehicle from 800109 end up at Wolverton?

 

[800001]

Didn't one vehicle from 800109 end up at Wolverton?

The whole train did, then bit by bit moved to Aycliffe.

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I assume it would be Doncaster Carr IEP depot, Wabtec have nothing to do with the 800's

Yes Doncaster Carr. Although Wabtec have previously done some work prior to service introduction ok a couple of gwr units.

 

[43055]

Cheers DanNCL/ 800001, where have the previously damaged one's gone, Wabtec Doncaster?

I think the two damage coaches from the unit that got hit by a car ended up at Derby RTC at one point.

 

[800001]

I think the two damage coaches from the unit that got hit by a car ended up at Derby RTC at one point.

They did/Have.
800109 also ended up at Millenium Derby.

 

[Spartacus]

That rather puts to bed the theory that “they’ll have to be cut up on site because they’ll never get rail cranes anywhere near because of OHLE”.

Nobody actually said they would HAVE to cut it up on site, just that it was a plan at one point. I think it only shows how things are fluid and plans change depending on what information comes to light.

Such theories I think came from the assumption that cranes would have to arrive by road, which would have been virtually impossible at that location without dismantling a large chunk of the depot throat. Of course the use of rail cranes has meant that the dismantling required has been limited to a few short sections of OHLE.

It’s easy to forget that there’s such a thing as a rail crane these days, with them so rarely being seen!

At one point the plan was very much to use road cranes, not least because Volker had none available, but that quickly changed as availability with Colas and Balfour Beatty was confirmed. I doubt anyone involved in such an incident will ever have forgotten that rail cranes exist, they're used all the time for different jobs, usually engineering ones.

 

[DarloRich]

It’s easy to forget that there’s such a thing as a rail crane these days, with them so rarely being seen!

They are in use all the time. The point is they are "multi use" now

Nobody actually said they would HAVE to cut it up on site, just that it was a plan at one point. I think it only shows how things are fluid and plans change depending on what information comes to light.

I am sure it would be on the cost v benefit consideration list although not top of the options I suspect!

 

[gimmea50anyday]

The potential of the affected carriage being cut up to aid recovery certainly was mentioned and discussed amongst the local TPE management at Newcastle, as was the requirement to dismantle the OHLE in order to get any cranes in. All options would have been considered as the cost of recovery and the amount of work required along with the repair costs would have been taken into account compared to the replacement value and how that would affect the servicing and maintenance plan across the life of the unit as a whole.

 

[secretsquirels]

Low loader on site to take train out, one vehicle at a time.

 

[Mr Pickle]

Rear coach of 802207 currently being loaded onto road transport

 

[800001]

Rear coach of 802207 currently being loaded onto road transport

Heading south on A19, been seen parked up at Tyne Tunnel.

 

[DanNCL]

Heading south on A19, been seen parked up at Tyne Tunnel.

Surprised they’re being allowed to use the Tyne Tunnel. The Tyne & Wear Metro fleet (which are smaller than an 80x vehicle) weren’t permitted through the tunnel when taken to Wabtec and had to go round via the A1 Newcastle Western Bypass to head south.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

I’m guessing possibilities here but Given that the A1 is being rebuilt along the Bowes incline there may be capacity issues getting a load like that through the roadworks and there may well be weight and height restrictions to go via the central motorway, across the Tyne bridge and pass Felling and Heworth. The newer southbound bore is larger I believe than the original bore and doesn’t have that long spiral ascent on the silverlink side so it was probably easier to send it that way during an overnight closure or during a quiet spell in the traffic and send it through on its own while everything else went either single file or by convoy through the other bore.

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If the destination is Newton Aycliffe then I expect it would have either come off the A19 at Boldon south, and on to the A194(M) and A1 jn 65 (birtley) or taken the A690 at Herrington picking up the A1 at Jn 62 (Belmont) Either way, jn 59 is at the south end of Newton Aycliffe and Hitachi is just off the next roundabout on the A167

For Doncaster may as well stay on the A19 to Dishforth and pick up the A1 there….

 

[800001]

The damaged carriage has now arrived at Hitach Newton Aycliffe.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I'm assuming this unit (the damaged coach, anyway) will be fixed rather than written off?

 

[Class455]

I'm assuming this unit (the damaged coach, anyway) will be fixed rather than written off?

It should be. I see no reason why it should be written off

 

[Trisha]

Apparently the Management team at Northern are still investigating the circumstances of this event, 2 of the staff are still on other jobs at the Depot. I can't fathom why it's taking so long, the stress the guys must be feeling must be awful.

 

[LCC106]

A long time, yes, but management have their own day-to-day jobs to keep on top of. Investigations are rightly thorough and can therefore be lengthy. Once all the info is pulled together, the RAIB/ORR will probably want to see it all and the ORR maybe even question persons concerned further. Factor in other external stakeholders involved, management annual leave, other incidents requiring investigation and probably a lot more than springs to mind and it’s understandable. Yes, still awful for those involved though.

***edit to add, is it Northern or TPE that are still investigating? TPE train but Northern depot?

 

[800001]

A long time, yes, but management have their own day-to-day jobs to keep on top of. Investigations are rightly thorough and can therefore be lengthy. Once all the info is pulled together, the RAIB/ORR will probably want to see it all and the ORR maybe even question persons concerned further. Factor in other external stakeholders involved, management annual leave, other incidents requiring investigation and probably a lot more than springs to mind and it’s understandable. Yes, still awful for those involved though.

***edit to add, is it Northern or TPE that are still investigating? TPE train but Northern depot?

Correct, northern depot, northern staff were moving the train.

Also, the damaged train is still being repaired, 3 undamaged carriages were seen this week outside at Hitachi Newton Aycliffe, the other 2 carriages were taken else where.

 

[LCC106]

Thank you for the reply.