Hitachi Super Express - Technical Data

[Chafford1]

Agility Trains have today published some more detailed technical data on the Hitachi Super Express:

http://www.agilitytrains.com/assets/pdf/AT-090205-Key_Facts-Released-1_5.pdf

 

[Pumbaa]

Is anyone else a little worried about the one that resembles a Voyager far too much? Although it's likely to be used Kgx - Cambridge for example, I would hate to think DfT hadn't learnt that 4 coaches is just stupid.

 

[devon_metro]

The idea of 5 coach trains between Paddington and Bristol is the most outrageous thing I have heard all day. Newcastle - KGX likewise.

 

[LucaZone]

I think I missed an announcement somewhere, but why are 5-car sets even involved? What HST services today could be dropped to just 5 coaches?

Havent Arriva re-introduced HST's back to Cross-Country because 4 and 5 car voyagers simply dont cut it on some services?

 

[GNERman]

Yeah - Why aren't they being used on XC services...

 

[The_Rail_WAy]

Cheers for the details mate, interesting stuff.

This whole 4/5 coach sets working services usually worked by hst's today is simply nonsensical, cant understand the reasoning behind this at all.

 

[Darandio]

Hopefully there is more to this than what is in that document. Doesn't it have Edinburgh to Aberdeen down as 10 car bi-mode units?

 

[jopsuk]

Hmm, the 10SelfIC and 10SelfUC would seem to be, pretty much, direct HST replacements- for those who doubt, 8*26=208m, and 9*23m=207m. I would guess that an "Inter Urban" layout may be similar to the FGW high-density or the XC layout, with "Inter City" more like FGW West, MML or NXEC?

The choices of example destinations is a bit alarming, given the 5-units are both marked "Co" for commuter-layout.

Good things! clearly, lessons have been learned from the Voyager loos- the 10- units work out at a space-saver per carriage plus the two disabled (though I bet that won't be the arrangement).

On the 10Self and 10Bi- what's the betting the Quiet Coach will be next to the diesel power head with motorised bogies?

 

[BlythPower]

It does say in that document that the five car variants are 'commuter' train types. 'Intercity' and 'interurban' variants are 10 car. Interestingly, what we'd think of as the diesel versions (they call them 'self-power') are described as having 'Hybrid power sources'.

 

[jopsuk]

Hopefully there is more to this than what is in that document. Doesn't it have Edinburgh to Aberdeen down as 10 car bi-mode units?

Now that would be ideal, to be honest, wouldn't it? That's the sort of service the Bi-modes are envisaged for, and as stated, the 5-car sets are to be "commuter" ones.

 

[Darandio]

Yeah, but does it need to be 10 cars for that stretch? Although if run as now, wouldn't they be from Kings Cross anyway?

 

[Chafford1]

It does say in that document that the five car variants are 'commuter' train types. 'Intercity' and 'interurban' variants are 10 car. Interestingly, what we'd think of as the diesel versions (they call them 'self-power') are described as having 'Hybrid power sources'.

Commuter sets will be for Cambridge, Oxford and new high speed Northampton services.

 

[MCR247]

Yeah, but does it need to be 10 cars for that stretch? Although if run as now, wouldn't they be from Kings Cross anyway?

Yeah, but on the sheet it say mininmum running time. As I think NXEC have one train that does this (or vice versa)

 

[Teaboy1]

The max power looks a bit mean........4 MW ?? Not quite up to Eurostar / TGV spec is it?? It will be slow off the mark and have a mediocre top speed.
Contrast is the JR500's, these are doing some 50Km/hr as the last car leaves the platform!:-x

 

[asylumxl]

The government is in bed with Hitachi, was pretty sure it'd be a mediocre project. They'll spin it as something special when they come into service anyway.

 

[Royston Vasey]

The government is in bed with Hitachi, was pretty sure it'd be a mediocre project. They'll spin it as something special when they come into service anyway.

The max power looks a bit mean........4 MW ?? Not quite up to Eurostar / TGV spec is it?? It will be slow off the mark and have a mediocre top speed.
Contrast is the JR500's, these are doing some 50Km/hr as the last car leaves the platform!:-x

With negative attitudes like that for something whose design isn't finalised and that won't be built for 5 years, you're going to fit right in here. Welcome to the forum lads! :roll:

 

[Daimler]

I do have to ask, what is a 'hybrid power source' as shown in the power cars of the self-power variant?

Why on earth don't they just say 'diesel engine'...:roll:

 

[90019]

I do have to ask, what is a 'hybrid power source' as shown in the power cars of the self-power variant?

Why on earth don't they just say 'diesel engine'...:roll:

I think it's because it's not a normal diesel engine, but I think it's similar to the one they fitted to one of the NMT power cars, although I could be wrong.

 

[2030720310]

is 600 odd seats enough?????

 

[jopsuk]

is 600 odd seats enough?????

Well, it is quite a few more than an HST or 225 set.

 

[Chafford1]

The max power looks a bit mean........4 MW ?? Not quite up to Eurostar / TGV spec is it?? It will be slow off the mark and have a mediocre top speed.
Contrast is the JR500's, these are doing some 50Km/hr as the last car leaves the platform!:-x

With only 10 coaches and 20 powered axles it'll be very quick off the mark - an HST accelerates at 0.33 m/s/s, SET will accelerate at 0.75 m/s/s. According to the DfT Technical Director it'll outperform the 225s.

And on top speed, as this is for current lines, no need for more than 140mph potential.

 

[332 > 444]

Well them 10 car self powered trains will only have 8 carriages and the 5 car bi-mode only 4. I so prefer underfloor powering.

 

[jav]

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