Llanigraham
On Moderation
Define "Plenty of time" - 10 mins, 15 mins, 30 mins, 60 mins, 2 hours......????
As long as it needs plus 5 minutes!
Define "Plenty of time" - 10 mins, 15 mins, 30 mins, 60 mins, 2 hours......????
And what time would 'in plenty of time' be?This is getting boring. Arrive at the station IN PLENTY OF TIME. Allow for any eventualities...
It is NOT up to signallers to "find a way" or to "compensate passengers"
This is getting boring. Arrive at the station IN PLENTY OF TIME. Allow for any eventualities...
What's getting boring is the railway constantly blaming passengers for its inadequacies. Since you ignored it the first time, I'll ask again: how does a potential passenger using a station for the first time discover that they need to allow extra time to get to the part of the station they need to get to because a crossing barrier might be preventing them? Where can they find this information?
What's getting boring is the railway constantly blaming passengers for its inadequacies. Since you ignored it the first time, I'll ask again: how does a potential passenger using a station for the first time discover that they need to allow extra time to get to the part of the station they need to get to because a crossing barrier might be preventing them? Where can they find this information?
There is not a definitive answer to your question
So you are telling people to do something, yet are unable to define what that something actually is .... but, neverthless, anyone who fails to board a train because they have not done that undefinable something is automatically at fault for not doing the undefined thing?
Brilliant !
Blame the victim, very easy argument...So you are telling people to do something, yet are unable to define what that something actually is .... but, neverthless, anyone who fails to board a train because they have not done that undefinable something is automatically at fault for not doing the undefined thing?
Brilliant !
So you are telling people to do something, yet are unable to define what that something actually is .... but, neverthless, anyone who fails to board a train because they have not done that undefinable something is automatically at fault for not doing the undefined thing?
Brilliant !
And that scapegoat is certainly NOT to Signaller!
So no signaller even makes a mistake then. OK!
How can lowering the barriers to allow safe passage of trains be "a mistake"?
This thread is getting ridiculous now
I was meaning the "mistake" of signalling the train to the wrong/opposite platform. Or the "mistake" of leaving the barriers down because that's easier than raising them/lowering them between trains. Or the mistake of simply forgetting to raise them after a train has passed.
Or just use common sense, if you don't know the station & surrounding area get there a little early than you would normally do[15-20 minutes to be on the safe side, sometimes you might like to get even earlier], you risk missing your train, if turn up with a few minutes before your train is due, if you don't know the area. Having a look on likes of google maps/earth before hand is another one you might want to do
So in reverse, if the car park is the same side as the platform ticket machine but you are prevented from reaching your departure platform by a long closure of the level crossing between platforms, you had arrived at the station and either NR or the ToC are liable?Thank you, that confirms my belief as stated earlier, that if the car park is the other side of a level crossing you haven't arrived at the station, and neither NR nor the ToC are liable.
Why can't people take responsibility for themselves!? Why is it always somebody else's fault!?
You seem to miss the point. If you've pulled off for a second train already, then it's normally neither practical nor possible to raise the barriers. If you haven't already pulled off for the second train, then it's quite straightforward to raise the barriers (if 'auto-raise' is provided and turned on, they'll raise by themselves). It does mean that the barriers need to be lowered again, of course.How is it easier to leave the barriers down rather than raise them? If a signaller has cleared a route for a train, do you realise how difficult it is to cancel and restart the process just so the barriers can be raised for 1 or 2 people to cross the line because they've left it too late to arrive?
Cononley in North Yorkshire is a great example of this.
You do feel sorry for people trapped waiting to cross, but you can't wait for the barriers to rise, because they might not. I always wait if I can, but I am painfully aware that the barriers at Kildwick are also down. If that distant signal is green, gotta go, because the traffic delays at Kildwick become unmanageable, and lots of local councilors throw hissy fits, even though it was them who wanted industrial units rather than a bridge.
And frankly I do not believe that any barriers will be down for 20 minutes continuously, unless they have failed totally.
At Bare Lane the protecting signals Morecambe-bound are way back at Bare Lane junction so will have set back to red a few minutes before the train gets to the crossing. Could the barriers be raised with a train in section if the signals are on???Curious. It shouldn't, then or now, be possible to raise the barriers at all with the protecting signals cleared, for good reason too. Wicket gates, on the other hand, were/are often not interlocked with the protecting signals, so could be left unlocked or not locked until the last minute.
No, as soon as there’s a train in the route beyond the signal, the barriers will be held down until the train’s passed clear of the crossing.At Bare Lane the protecting signals Morecambe-bound are way back at Bare Lane junction so will have set back to red a few minutes before the train gets to the crossing. Could the barriers be raised with a train in section if the signals are on???
That's what I would have expected. As you say, curious.No, as soon as there’s a train in the route beyond the signal, the barriers will be held down until the train’s passed clear of the crossing.
just to allow passengers to cross to the other platform
You haven't been to Cononley then. The first time I arrived at that station, I was standing in the pouring rain for 20 minutes after alighting from the train before I could cross the line. The barriers were down prior to the arrival of my westbound train, which waited in the platform, with the barriers still down, for a few minutes (reason unknown), after it moved off the barriers remained down for a non-stopping eastbound train, but the barriers did not raise after that train because (it turned out) there was a westbound train that arrived in the platform just under 5 minutes later. The westbound train departed but still the barriers didn't rise, as there was a stopping service approaching eastbound. When that was safely berthed in the platform the barriers did raise and I was able to meet my father in the car park on the eastbound side of the line. However by the time we came to exit the car park the barriers were down again, fortunately we didn't need to cross the line again so I don't know how long the barriers were down for that time. If the length of closure was the same as the preceding one then an hour may not be sufficient time between arriving on the west side of the railway and catching a westbound train if you need to buy a ticket as the only facilities for doing so are on the eastbound side.
At Bare Lane the protecting signals Morecambe-bound are way back at Bare Lane junction so will have set back to red a few minutes before the train gets to the crossing. Could the barriers be raised with a train in section if the signals are on???